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All I am giving you here, Hier, are the facts of the matter. You don't have to believe them if you don't want to, but that doesn't alert the fact they are facts. If you can't accept the plurality of Christianity, that's your p[problem. Many others of us can and rejoice in it.
It seems the past flat earth hype was launched with malicious intent, to make Bible believing Christians look stupid.Some Christians believe exactly that: That the Bible teaches a flat earth. They offer proof texts to back them up and even scientific explanations.
I don't think so.which Honestly I was surprised at this. I thought it was a joke but they are, apparently, serious.
There are a couple of ambiguous youtube channels that spread this stuff.Are they Christians then?
True, but who would want to have anything to do with those 'religious retards'.Being wrong about the shape of the earth has zero to do with being a follower of Christ.
Fixating on what a "fact" is by one definition or another, only speaks of the truth, if one is fixed on the truth in the first place...which of course, one cannot even begin to do without knowing the beginning and the end. Your little patch of road, does not tell all, nor does it speak with the authority that you attribute to yourself. You should be asking questions - not making claims.All I am giving you here, Hier, are the facts of the matter. You don't have to believe them if you don't want to, but that doesn't alert the fact they are facts. If you can't accept the plurality of Christianity, that's your p[problem. Many others of us can and rejoice in it.
The Wycliffe Bible:
http://wesley.nnu.edu/fileadmin/imported_site/wycliffe/
Codex Sinaiticus:
http://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx
1611 KJV:
http://www.bibles-online.net/1611/
Narrow Canon of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church:
http://www.ethiopianorthodox.org/english/canonical/books.html
This statement of yours is simply not factually accurate.
-CryptoLutheran
Indeed, there is a lot of relevant stuff to get acquainted with...Fixating on what a "fact" is by one definition or another, only speaks of the truth, if one is fixed on the truth in the first place...which of course, one cannot even begin to do without knowing the beginning and the end. Your little patch of road, does not tell all, nor does it speak with the authority that you attribute to yourself. You should be asking questions - not making claims.
It seems the past flat earth hype was launched with malicious intent, to make Bible believing Christians look stupid.
I think it worked quite well.
It shows mistrust in the scientific Chruch of naturalism, and not without reason.
Especially NASA has a reputation of not exactly showing us reality.
No, i don't mean the moon landing.
But it also shows paranoia, uncertainty and insecurity among the people who buy in to it.
Meanwhile Morgan Freeman is selling us more Pyramids on National Geographic (the "God" documentary)I don't think so.
But maybe they are, i don't know their sources, which they may actually believe.
There are a couple of ambiguous youtube channels that spread this stuff.
Many have God's name in their account name...
True, but who would want to have anything to do with those 'religious retards'.
Here's a short 'debunk' video i ran into lately:
Very well said! As the Bible says, we see though a glass dimly and sometimes I fell like the dimmest bulb in the pack.Fixating on what a "fact" is by one definition or another, only speaks of the truth, if one is fixed on the truth in the first place...which of course, one cannot even begin to do without knowing the beginning and the end. Your little patch of road, does not tell all, nor does it speak with the authority that you attribute to yourself. You should be asking questions - not making claims.
Mine often does! I would not think God that great if we puny humans could know all and understand all about God and his creation. I hope that doesn't come across as disrespectful. Fortunately, the Bible tells us God is unfathomable and I like it that way. Keeps us searching for him and seeking His Truth.Indeed, there is a lot of relevant stuff to get acquainted with...
Ancient languages, cosmology, hermeneutics, archaeology, palaeontology, biology, philosophy, information science, chemistry....
Your head could explode...
But meanwhile, an increasingly detailed big picture becomes visible, and the clouds of ignorance dissolve...
For a part, of course.
But it's GRAND and amazing.
And it's real.
Humbling.
Amazing God.
So your ok with genocide? Killing people who gay sex? Stoning adulters? Killing people who work on the sabbath? Treating women inferior to men? Enslaving foreigners for life? There is truth to be taken from the OT, but those various books do show the human/culture/violent and sexist time that influenced the bible.
Mine too...Mine often does!
No, not at all.I would not think God that great if we puny humans could know all and understand all about God and his creation. I hope that doesn't come across as disrespectful.
This is how i prefer to learn about many relevant topics:Fortunately, the Bible tells us God is unfathomable and I like it that way. Keeps us searching for him and seeking His Truth.
Well, i have seen too many arguments based on nothing but argument itself. Consider examples of Christians disagreeing with the idea that man evolved from prehistoric apes. ToE posters then come in and say "well man is an ape, duh" as if that invalidates the disagreement.
First off, man is only classified as an ape, its just a classification, also that classification itself doesn't mean that man evolved from a prehistoric ape necessarily. I have seen way too many arguments based on nonsense, which serves only to argue.
Science actually disproves evolution.
The Miller-Urey experiment showed that even under perfectly controlled conditions which never existed in the earth, by controlled manipulation, scientists could make a single protein. The problem, of course, is that in their great discovery they demonstrated that the odds against 200 left handed proteins assembling themselves in the proper sequence to create the simplest of living things made abiogenesis a statistical impossibility.
Radiating fruit flies for tens of thousands of generations was supposed to force evolution via mutation. It demonstrated that mutations are almost always deleterious or neutral. After 30 years, the fruit flies remained fruit flies. When the radiation was removed, subsequent generations returned to normal.
Bacteria; the garbage eating simple life form, is said to have evolved because it became able to eat a different form of garbage. However, they are still bacteria doing what they were designed to do; eat garbage.
Breeders have been able to breed certain characteristics into or out of species, but they never change significantly. Dogs still have the same features, but in different proportions. You can cross a horse with a donkey and make a mule, but sterility is a result of any such breeding.
Adaptation is observed in the real world, but it is a conservative process where traits are enhanced or extinguished but never created. Repeated subtraction never equals addition. Adaptation is the opposite of evolution.
Yes, but it is not the end yet.God wins in the end...
I realy don't know how long the evolution idea will keep on standing in people's minds.There will be a revival but it will be falsely led and will again persecute God's people.... think tribulation, time of trouble.
Sorry, I realized afterwords I shouldn't have posted that. Sometimes I deal with the issue f saying or posting while being unkind in the process while realizing my failures after the act.Forgive me, i mean no offence, but your question is not wise. Its contentious, and misrepresents what i was saying.
I understand the ways of the world pretty well. I understand politics, and i understand also that science is not holy like you are preaching it to be. You are deluded to think its holy. Its not separate from mans folly, but is very much a part of it. As a human i can say this is true, but as a Christian i must say it even more. To say that science is above mans folly, and above his politics, deception and false doctrines, this is to put science where God alone sits. Science is anti Christ in that way.
The theory of evolution says nothing about abiogenesis.
I think i know some key ideas. Its because it undermines the creation story and that people will become irreligious?
Well wouldnt that be an issue about the idea of the earth is flat if the bible is literal on that part i mean?
What i mean is that science explains our physicial world. The main point i am making is that Creation Story had two interpretations in medieval ages. Allegory" basically a deeper meaning than it is. Or "Literally" like just like it is written.
So basically allegory seems to be the key point then. Since that can be used. Since God is outside our understanding. Science is a method just to understand the world we live in more or less.
So i dont see the problem with evolution, because it doesnt undermine the scripture in the sense of it not being true?
Although i do believe its a shame that more people who lack understanding go away because of ignorance and just dont bother trying to understand why Christianity is a religion to help your life.
But i am curious to what you think?
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