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I am both.You are not being accurate or fair here at all, KW.
Wrong. That's exactly the issue.The issue here isn't the Bible or God or science.
No, some outright reject it.Everyone views Scripture through a lens.
The Pharisees were the "intellectuals" of Christ's day. Like you, they distorted the Scriptures, added what they wanted to add and taught things that were contrary to God's word. Christ had some rather disparaging things to say about them. He called them blind guides, fools, serpents and vipers. In short, He didn't particularly care for those who taught contrary to the Scriptures. What makes you think His opinion has changed?I would bet you are viewing Scripture through the lens of fundamentalist Christianity, which is an anti-intellectual approach.
I've seen that.On my end, I reject much of it,
Jesus said, Man cannot live by bread alone, but by every word which comes from the mouth of God. How can man know what comes from the mouth of God? We have the Scriptures. Jesus never contradicted anything in the Scriptures because He had come to fulfill them. So Jesus tells us that we need every word of the Scriptures for us to live our lives. That's pretty strong testimony that the Scriptures read as God intended; that they teach what God intended to teach; and that they reveal the truth He intended us to know. There is no truth in the words of the man who contradicts the Scriptures. We know that Scriptures are correct because they were given to man as a guide to live his life from God, and that very fact was confirmed by the son of God.Either Scripture is inerrant or it's all errant and therefore worthless. Either-or thinking is unrealistic. Reality is generally a shade of grey.
Malachi 3:6 “For I the Lord do not change; therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed."The idea of a wholly immutable God comes from Hellenic philosophy, not Scripture, and can be shown to be irrational in the first place.
Straw man!! Nobody says the Bible is scientific, though there are things mentioned that we only now understand in the light of scientific discoveries.The Bible has to be an accurate scientific witness.
Another straw man. Science is the study of the physical world. It has nothing to do with the supernatural world. That is a different field of study.One's religious beliefs should be accepted without question and are the sole criterion upon which to judge the validity of all scientific work and research.
Rejection of the Scriptures is not the same is having a different view of the Scriptures.The Bible is subject to many interpretations in Christianity.
Christian means "of Christ." If you're not of Christ you're not a Christian.The Christian religion is monolithic, so there is just one way to be a Christian. Irrational.
Politics is another subject. Either you teach according to the Scriptures or you teach contrary to the Scriptures. Teaching contrary to the Scriptures is heresy. I have yet to see any theistic evolutionist justify their beliefs with the Scriptures. Not one. So unless you can justify the two what you are teaching is heresy. You have yet to address this issue. The Bible very specifically states that all living things were created in their mature state, and that everything in which there was the breath of life died in a great flood with the exception of those saved on the ark. How do these fundamental teachings fit with evolution? It's pretty obvious that they cannot. That means to believe in evolution you have to reject much of what Jesus taught. How, then, can one believe in two mutually exclusionary teachings?Not all Christians are on the right, not should be on the right.
Nonsense.Miracles are a separate issue from creation.
Um, I did, actually. Evolution isn't linear, it's fractal branched.You still haven't answered my post of the mathematical calculation showing that for evolution to be true, then there had to have been speciation taking place every few days... much more frequent than that if you factor in not only speciation but the multipliers of domain, kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, and genus.
Interesting how we don't have even one example of this over the hundreds of years man has been observing these things? Why do you think this is?
You do that. I'm trying to teach you something about science to correct your misconception about "scientific proof".How utterly sad that people put their belief in something that is admittedly variable and ever changing.... whereas the Bible has never changed... I think I'll stick with the solid , reliable source, thank you.
I am and I have been since I was a child its how I was raised. I have nothing against those who are not or believe something different.Because you claim you're a Christian, i guess...
Yes, EastCoast, but the fact of the matter is that the world is continually changing, and the Bible also honors an ever-changing world.
The Bible also states that God changes, in about 100 passages, .
Amazingly, of those 46%, none of them can show how their Bible is compatible with evolution because it is not.
Belief in evolution requires a rejection of Scriptural teaching.
For evolution to be true, much of the Bible has to be a lie.
Since the first 3 chapters of Genesis are quoted over 300 times in the New Testament alone, it can be argued that Genesis is foundational.
If death and sin did not come into the world through Adam, then it need not be overcome by Jesus.
I have stated many times that those who believe the Bible and evolution have a firm understanding of neither.
They are mutually exclusive. Want to prove me wrong? Show where the Scriptures tell of the evolution of all living things from a single progenitor over billions of years. I've been asking for decades. No theistic evolutionist can answer.
The theory of evolution makes no comment on the origins of life. It is concerned with the descent of species.
Darwin's book is called the Origin of Species. Get it straight.
Your statement is 100% false.You definitely are looking at Scripture through the lends of fundamentalistic Christianity. You are not directly saying what is in Scripture, you are stating how fundamentalist Christianity interprets Scripture.
I went to college too. Maybe you can have one of your professors answer my questions, since you can't. I have no interest in what the Pharisees say about the Scriptures.I am an academic. I listen only to what highly educated biblical scholars have to say about the Bible.
If the Scriptures are not accurate then they are not the word of God. If they are not the word of God then they have no value. Christ taught that the Scriptures were not only accurate, but that they were in fact the word of God.Where you are having trouble here is that you are coming to the Bible with the notion fixed in your head that Scripture has to be inerrant.
The problem I have with false teachers is that they teach from their own belief or lack of belief and they can't back up what they say with actual passages from Scripture. A true biblical scholar would support their premise, as I have, with verses from the Scriptures; like where I showed you that the Bible describes God as unchanging. I see bluster and pomposity but no substance. It's time to put up or shut up. Either demonstrate your premise with the Scriptures or admit that you cannot.The problem I have with laity is that they have no such safeguards in place.
My question to you now is this:
Why does it matter so much that I believe the same as you or others?
I'm not trying to be rude or start an argument I am curious as to why this matters so much.
You do not know all that I believe but honestly it should not matter that much as there are more pressing things going on in the world.
In your opinion. Millions of your fellow Christians disagree.
In your opinion.
So be it!
That may be important to you, but reality cares not.
You have no understanding of the real world. If you did, you would know that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. You would know that the Creator of the universe is Lord of the universe. His word is truth; not man's.Again, the REAL world exists as it does, no matter your beliefs.
Some folks prefer the color blue - some prefer the color purple or pink or red. I say each person has free will let them choose whatever they wish.
But it matters whether one chooses heaven or hell.
AND Darwin, Dawkins, Meyers et al. claim that evolutionism drove them off a cliff - though they began as Christians.
Here is a recent "victim" - a T.E. pleading for "help".
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Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT... were the OT writers simply writing what they "thought" and the way they "felt" about God, and not in an actual words God actually said..
Well, my problem is I believe the scientific evidence which casts doubt on some of the Bible writers, BUT, I have too much personal experiencial evidence of a God and other spirits existing on another side beside this one...
http://www.christianforums.com/thre...periencing-part-of-a-pm-conversation.7843548/
My personal experiencial evidence stands on it's very own as enough proof for me, but have I encountered the same God (YHWH) spoke about in the OT, some OT acts and verses by God cast a shadow of a doubt on him being a or the God of Love...
Anyone help?
God Bless!
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And of course that thread started by our poor pleading T.E. friend - is ultimately swamped by atheist and agnostic posts of the form "all-praise-evolution". Not too surprising that atheists don't really care if our poor T.E. friend is driven to reject the Bible - by his faith in evolutionism.
But what is more surprising is that some of the same T.E. posters here on the thread you are on -- also contribute to that thread once the atheists take over - and they too merely have the same "all-praise-evolution" focus -- find the "Cause" of uplifting blind-faith evolutionism of far more "Value" than helping some one not reject the Bible, than helping a T.E. avoid the lake of fire in Rev 20.
Now your question seems to be 'why should it matter'. Are you asking that question in this larger context?
Leevo said: ↑
For those of you who hold to theistic evolution, what do you believe about Adam and Eve?
If you believe they are only mythological to explain human tendency to sin, then how do you reconcile verses such as Romans 5:12?
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—"
If there was no literal fall of humanity, then there would be no need for Christ to have come, no?
If you believe they are literal humans, do you believe that they were the first of the homo-sapiens or only the first two with a soul? I still can't reconcile the Fall of humanity if they were not the first two human beings...
DISCLAIMER: I believe in evolution, just can't find a suitable way to reconcile these.
Papias said: ↑
OK - what if, hypothetically, I called that first creature to conceive of deities, "Adam"? I don't have to put a finger on exactly when - I can say that whenever it happened, I'll call that person "Adam".
Percivale said: ↑
I don't think science can say just how gradual the transition was from prehumans to humans. Perhaps a couple hundred thousand years ago God rearranged the DNA in a prehuman womb so that Adam (Eve likewise) was born with fully human intelligence while his parents had no real language and intelligence as close to that of chimps as to humans. I think what you believe about that has more to do with your view of miracles than of science. All humans descended from them, though at times some people interbred with pre-humans
I am saying this because some people seem to panic when someone does not agree with what their religion believes 100%.
I find this to not be a good thing.
This is the internet and we can only do so much. I will do what I can for people but I will not loose sleep over someone going to Hell or Heaven.
This does not make me or anyone who is the same uncaring at all.
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