If we believe Scripture we will not be deceived...Jesus says watch out that no one deceives you...Matthew 7:15 and Matthew 24:4. If we aren't busy loving the world we'll get our priorities straight pretty quick.
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You speak of rejecting "much of what Christ taught." Yet Jesus s[pent relatively little time teaching about the Garden or the flood or Cain. When He did so it was in terms of making his message understandable to his listeners, all of whom believed that those things actually existed. Do I deny the miracles performed by Jesus? Of course not. Do I believe in a literal Garden of Eden? No. Do I see any conflict there? No, of course not.
Now, once again, are you saying taht a Christian cannot believe in evolution?
If we believe Scripture we will not be deceived...Jesus says watch out that no one deceives you...Matthew 7:15 and Matthew 24:4. If we aren't busy loving the world we'll get our priorities straight pretty quick.
In my Christian, only mildly educated on the matter, opinion... I find certain aspects of evolution to be a bit far fetched. We have evolved as a species but from primates is just too far fetched for me. Always has been.
Translation: don't point out the glaring flaws in my argument.Get serious! and that is a derogatory remark toward Jesus just so you can have a laugh. Notice you skipped over all the literalism quoted. These passages all point to faith...down through the ages...OT to NT times. In many respects we as a people are growing more ignorant not more knowledgeable over time. Time has darkened our knowledge of God which is true ignorance.
So it is your intent to interpret the Scriptures not with the revelation of the Holy Spirit, but rather through the limited understanding of a non-believer who denies that veracity of the Scriptures? How can one possibly come to the right conclusion with such a premise?In so doing, we must cast aside the preexisting bias that everything in Scripture has to be true, that everything happened just the way the Bible says it happened.
Yes, as does EVERY theory of creation because origination is impossible. That's why God chose to create as He did; because it demonstrates the absolute authority He has over the universe.It is readily apparent that it stands in stark contradiction to modern scientific accounts.
Sophistry. Science is the study of the PHYSICAL world around us. It can neither reject nor affirm the supernatural creation of anything.If we stay within the confines of the fundamentalist box, science is clearly a thing of the Devil, and that's the end of it.
The Bible makes no such claims. It uses terminology of the day such as the four corners of the world, but that expression is still used; meaning east, west, north and south; not that the world is flat.After all, who believes that the earth is really flat, that everything revolves around the earth, etc.?
Please explain Genesis 2:1 with this claim in mind. Genesis 2 deals with the formation of man, which happened on day 6. The animals which were brought to Adam were already formed. The creation was, as Genesis 2:1 proclaims, complete.It is my position that there are two contradictory accounts.
This is the limitation of the Hebrew language, not God's limitation. Biblical scholars have concluded that Genesis two regards the origination of man which was the final creation after the rest of the universe. It goes into greater detail of the events regarding Adam's beginning.There is the pluperfect theory.... There is no, repeat no, pluperfect tense in Hebrew.
That's why we are not permitted to add or detract from the Scriptures; because nonsense like that gets taught. Frankly, that sounds like something Mohammed made up. He was always writing about sex.If we are fusing these accounts together, then there is a woman created in Gen. 1, and at the same time as Adam, who is not named, and who obviously exists in addition to Eve. Who is she? Her name is Lilith and she is Adam's first wife. She was domineering and liked riding on top of Adam when they had sex. Adam didn't like this and neither did God, as women are to be submissive. So God gave Adam a second wife, Eve, who at least stayed underneath during sex. Lilith then got mad, ran away, became a witch, and goes around terrorizing children, so that it was common to find a crib with “God save up from Lilith” written on it. Now, unless you believe in the existence of preAdamites, and the fundamentalist box does not and most Christians do not either, then this whole situation is absolutely ridiculous.
God had already created the dust.Another problem with the Genesis account is that it does not make it clear how God creates. Some will say it definitely means creatio ex nihilo. But God created Adam out of dust, not out of nothing. God created Eve out of Adam's rib, not out of nothing.
You believe in something which did not happen, which is not happening and which never can happen. We see only adaptation; a conservative process. There is not increasing complexity. Nothing evolves into anything else.And exactly how is believing that evolution has occurred and is still occurring being "deceived"?
Science says otherwise.You believe in something which did not happen, which is not happening and which never can happen. We see only adaptation; a conservative process. There is not increasing complexity. Nothing evolves into anything else.
So evolution, then, means only what you want it to mean. My computer drops a file, therefore evolution is true. Gotcha.We've seen evolution multiple times. You can test it yourself with any imperfect replicator.
Apparently you don't bother reading what others write as I already addressed this. I have no doubt that Jesus performed miracles. Science doesn't prove or disprove them, that is why they are called miracles. However I aslo believe in evolution. I see no conflict between those two beliefs.What does science say about a man walking on water, raising the dead, healing the blind, dying on a cross and coming back to life on the third day?
Tell that to the nylon eating bacteria.You believe in something which did not happen, which is not happening and which never can happen. We see only adaptation; a conservative process. There is not increasing complexity. Nothing evolves into anything else.
So it's your position that He was lying to them; that He knew most of the Old Testament was false and yet He chose not to reveal the truth to them?You speak of rejecting "much of what Christ taught." Yet Jesus spent relatively little time teaching about the Garden or the Flood or Cain. When He did so it was in terms of making His message understandable to His listeners, all of whom believed that those things actually existed.
No, I never said that Jesus lied to anyone. Please do not accuse me of saying things that I never said. I clearly stated that Jesus spoke in terms that his listeners would understand. They believed in these things therefore He spoke about them.So it's your position that He was lying to them; that He knew most of the Old Testament was false and yet He chose not to reveal the truth to them?
What did Jesus ACTUALLY teach about the Old Testament?
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- Imperishability
- "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished," (NASB, Matt. 5:18).
- Unbreakability
- "The Scripture cannot be broken," (NASB, Jn. 10:35).
- Source of Doctrinal Authority
- Jesus appealed to Scripture when correcting false doctrine stating, "You are mistaken, not understanding the Scriptures nor the power of God," (NASB, Matt. 22:29).
- Truthfulness
- "Your word is truth," (NASB, Jn. 17:17).
- Historical Reliability
- Jesus affirmed the historical existence of Jonah (Matt. 12:40), Noah (Matt. 24:37-38), and Adam and Eve (Matt. 19:4-6).
- Scientific Reliability
- Jesus affirmed that God created the world (Mk. 13:19, cf. Matt. 19:4).
- Old Testament Canonicity
- Jesus made reference to the Law and Prophets as a unit, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).
- Jesus explained the Scriptures, "Then beginning with Moses and with all the prophets, He explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the Scriptures," (NASB, Luke 24:27).
- Jesus referred to the entire Canon by mentioning all the prophets from Abel (from Genesis, the first book and first martyr) to Zechariah (Chronicles, the last book, and the last martyr) (Matt. 23:35).
Now, once again, are you saying that the Scriptures are false; that Adam evolved and was NOT created by God; that death did NOT come into the world through sin; that the very premise behind humanity needing a savior is false? Evolution requires that you choose between the word of God and the theory of man. Which do you choose?
Answer mine and I'll answer yours.Still waiting for you to answer my question: Are you saying th t a Christian cannot believe in evolution?
No, I asked first, some 20 posts ago.Answer mine and I'll answer yours.
Are you saying that the Scriptures are false; that Adam evolved and was NOT created by God; that death did NOT come into the world through sin; that the very premise behind humanity needing a savior is false? Both the Bible and evolution cannot be true. Man cannot be created by God from the dust of the earth and simultaneously evolve over billions of years from plankton. Evolution requires that you choose between the word of God and the theory of man. Which do you choose? Where do you put your faith, in the the word of God, or the theories of man?
I think a Christian can certainly believe in evolution, but the real question is this: why would a Christian abandon the authority of Scripture in favor of theories from ungodly men? Just because people say evolution is a scientific fact doesn't mean it is one. I can believe in a heliocentric model of our solar system without compromising my belief in Scripture, but evolution puts millions of years of death and mutation before the creation of Adam and Eve; it undermines the Scriptures in many ways. I suppose many who call themselves Christian believe in evolution because "well, the scientists said it and the schools teach it, so it must be true." Why don't you start questioning these scientists instead of God and His word? Call me a fool, but I believe we were intelligently created by an All-powerful God. That's what people have believed for thousands of years up until the last two centuries, and now people think we are nothing more than mutated apes.No, I never said that Jesus lied to anyone. Please do not accuse me of saying things that I never said. I clearly stated that Jesus spoke in terms that his listeners would understand. They believed in these things therefore He spoke about them.
Still waiting for you to answer my question: Are you saying th t a Christian cannot believe in evolution?
I don't see any conflict. I read Genesis as an allegory that tells us that God created everything, but not a scientific journal that tell us exactly how He did it.I think a Christian can certainly believe in evolution, but the real question is this: why would a Christian abandon the authority of Scripture in favor of theories from ungodly men? Just because people say evolution is a scientific fact doesn't mean it is one. I can believe in a heliocentric model of our solar system without compromising my belief in Scripture, but evolution puts millions of years of death and mutation before the creation of Adam and Eve; it undermines the Scriptures in many ways. I suppose many who call themselves Christian believe in evolution because "well, the scientists said it and the schools teach it, so it must be true." Why don't you start questioning these scientists instead of God and His word? Call me a fool, but I believe we were intelligently created by an All-powerful God. That's what people have believed for thousands of years up until the last two centuries, and now people think we are nothing more than mutated apes.
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