Why do Christians hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?

[Hopeful]

Today at 08:38 PM seebs said this in Post #19

The problem is that the word "witch" refers to a bunch of different and mostly unrelated thing. Wicca is a religion whose practitioners call themselves "witches", and sound totally unlike what you describe. Since I've never heard of anything like what you described, I was curious as to where you live; it may be that other parts of the world have different religions in them.

yeah i libe in the other parts of the world with different religions, but my point is that my views on witches, any kind, has nothing to do with my being a christian but more to do with their practices that i have witnessed. if u say "wiccas" are nothing like what i am describing,okay, but to me a witch is a witch, i have nothing against them and i dont hate them.




 

 

[Rae]

OK, but just be aware, Hopeful, that if you don't clarify your views and you say this about "witches," you will have some very angry Wiccans demanding to know your evidence that they behave in the way you describe "witches" behaving...at best. At worst...well, just imagine telling a believing Christian she or he is a cannibal.....

 

[Hopeful]

hehe, okay, but i am not implicating wiccans in any way, i already said i dont know anything about them, the only kind of witches i know are called witches.

 

[Rae]

Many Wiccans use the word "witch" to describe themselves as well, though they do not behave as your witches do. That's why. Take care!

 

[seebs]

Today at 07:55 PM Hopeful said this in Post #21 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=686072#post686072)

yeah i libe in the other parts of the world with different religions, but my point is that my views on witches, any kind, has nothing to do with my being a christian but more to do with their practices that i have witnessed. if u say "wiccas" are nothing like what i am describing,okay, but to me a witch is a witch, i have nothing against them and i dont hate them.

Can you be in any way more specific about who you *are* talking about? Any other name for their religion or practices?

 

[Hopeful]

no just "witches",their practice, withcraft

 

[LanceA]

Blondie, one thing you have to understand is pretty much all christians believe that if you haven't accepted Christ into their life then you will most likely go to hell. Same with Jews or any other type of religion. Of course you will find in any religion people who hate you for what you believe. The bible teaches to only hate the sin not the person sinning. I got caught up in the Pagan life style for around 7 years and am just now breaking away from it. Since you call yourself a Witch and not Wiccan, I assume you are a traditional witch. And for those who really don't understand the difference between Wicca and Witchcraft I'll try to explain.

Wicca was started in the 1950's by Gerald Gardner and a few others. It is a Pagan based religion that branches off of the old religions such as Druidism, Shamanism, and Witchcraft. Yes some Wiccans call themselves witches but some do not. And I can say all Traditional Witches do not call themselves Wiccan. Yes Wicca does have a Wiccan Rede that says Do what ye will as long as it harms none. If you look at things Witches/Wiccans do in ritual, meditation, etc... you will see things that go against the teachings of the Bible. Performing Spellcraft, divination, healing, energy manipulation, astral projection etc.... Pretty much all of these things are a sin according to the Bible. If you aren't going through Jesus and the Holy Spirit then you are sinning when you do this. According to the Bible. That is why Christians are to hate the sin but not the person sinning.

Yes Witchcraft and Wicca is nature based. A lot of good comes from the Pagan religions when it comes to the environment. I have many friends who are very good people and pagan, and these people wouldn't harm a fly and live very peaceful lives. That doesn't mean they will reach the christian heaven. I also know a lot of Pagans who hate Christians. I use to be in that category. Hate is a tool that is used to divide people and to keep the truth from coming out. Just remember you will always find people in any religion who hates for what they believe is part of their faith.

Lance

 

[Jenna]

Why do Christians hate Wicca (Witchcraft) ?

I can't say that I hate wicca, but I do not approve of it. That is a pretty strong statement coming from a person who was Wiccan for 6 years. I know enough to say that for many people their intentions are good, but I can't agree with their reasons for choosing that form for worship. It really leaves one to wonder if a person is really worshipping their god/dess or simply exalting themselves because there is very little division between any works done by their gods vs. done through manipulating their own energies.

Why do I not like Wicca OR witchcraft? Well, quite honestly, it means that a person is not turning to God for what they need, hoping to accomplish it themselves. This is just not what God wants from his people. He has always wanted a close relationship with us, wanted us to come to him. It's just a matter of shutting God out of the equation. Now, mind you, I am not talking about the use of herbal remedies or that stuff. I am just talking about the use of rituals and what is involved therein.

God doesn't want folks working magic or magick (lol). It angers the God that loves us so much, and that is enough reason for me to 'hate' wicca and/or witchcraft. That in no way means that I dislike the pagan masses (by whatever name each group goes by at the moment lol ) , I simply cannot agree with the actions. Sheesh, if we hated everyone who sinned, we'd all be shooting ourselves in the foot, now wouldn't we? If anything, I would rather dwell on the fact that ex-wiccans make some of the most understanding and kind Christians that I know, because they know what it is like to have verbal nail guns turned on them.

If you feel like going point for point, Blondie, let me know. I can chit-chat til the cows come home and the pigs fly.   lol

Brightest Blessings to ALL OF YOU!

  God love ya! 

 

[Rae]

So in other words, I don't like Wicca because I'm no longer a Wiccan and believe that the Christian criteria are the only ones for a religion I can respect?

Okay, but don't expect me to accept Christian criteria for my non-Christian religion, or to blindly accept it when you say your God doesn't like my religion. I don't, and I don't find it persuasive when you say it, either.

 

[Jenna]

I can respect people without believing them to be correct in the choice of their gods. I'm sorry, but that is how each person is if you want to get real serious about it. That is why we each choose which path we want to walk.

The point of the matter is that I answered Blondie's question the best way that I knew how, that is all. I wasn't trying to convert anyone, so I don't appreciate it when you make it sound as though I am putting anyone in a religious headlock. Give me a break.   I wasn't trying to convince you of any way to believe, only trying to explain why I believe the way that I do on this particular topic.  If you want to talk about reasons that might lead one to believe that Christianity is a more valid religious choice than wicca, then that is another thread.

 

[Rae]

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[bluesonata]

I couldn't be less interested in believing in Christianity, myself, and I don't think it's a more valid religious choice than Buddhism, Hinduism, Wicca, or atheism, so no, I'm not interested in another thread, either.

If that is true, then why do you post on a Christian board?  Please don't take this the wrong way, but I can't understand why you bother with this board if you feel so strongly about your beliefs.  You know that the majority of the people here (those who are Christian) will not agree with you.

Kathy

 

[blondie122189]

bluesonata, this is a christian and non christian board, and we all have the right to post here. Be nice.

 

[bluesonata]

bluesonata, this is a christian and non christian board, and we all have the right to post here. Be nice.

Are you saying that I wasn't being nice? If you will read my post, Blondi, you'll see that I said: "please don't take this the wrong way". I didn't mean to offend, and I apologize if I did.

Yes, I realize that it's a Christian and non-Christian board. I suppose what I mean is that if there was a Wicca Board or a Buddhist Board, or what have you, I would not bother to go there as I totally disagree with their views, and I know that nothing they could tell me could change mine. The only thing my presence there would cause would be strife.

I can understand if a non-Christian comes to a Christian board out of curiosity, because they're searching for answers, things like that...

But, the original poster DID say: "I couldn't be less interested in believing in Christianity..." If that's true, then what's the purpose of all of this discussion? What are you searching for?

I mean this in a nice way and would like an honest answer.

Thank you.

Kathy

 

[Arikay]

Thats sadly close minded.

well, there are many boards here that non christians cant go on. However, since they can go on these few boards, they are willing to come here, to debate the issues, etc.

Non christians may "totally disagree with christians views" but that doesnt mean they cant come here, and debate and learn. I can disagree with something and still learn about it. Matter of fact, I could probably argue on the christian side of things.

Today at 05:56 PM bluesonata said this in Post #34 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=693489#post693489)

Are you saying that I wasn't being nice? If you will read my post, Blondi, you'll see that I said: "please don't take this the wrong way". I didn't mean to offend, and I apologize if I did.

Yes, I realize that it's a Christian and non-Christian board. I suppose what I mean is that if there was a Wicca Board or a Buddhist Board, or what have you, I would not bother to go there as I totally disagree with their views, and I know that nothing they could tell me could change mine. The only thing my presence there would cause would be strife.

I can understand if a non-Christian comes to a Christian board out of curiosity, because they're searching for answers, things like that...

But, the original poster DID say: "I couldn't be less interested in believing in Christianity..." If that's true, then what's the purpose of all of this discussion? What are you searching for?

I mean this in a nice way and would like an honest answer.

Thank you.

Kathy

 

[seebs]

Today at 07:56 PM bluesonata said this in Post #34 (http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?postid=693489#post693489)
But, the original poster DID say: "I couldn't be less interested in believing in Christianity..." If that's true, then what's the purpose of all of this discussion? What are you searching for?

To be strictly correct, the "original" poster wasn't the one who said that.

I would guess that both the original poster and Rae are searching for Christians whose love of their neighbors extends even to neighbors who disagrees with them. It takes a certain amount of determination to actually find any.

 

[Rae]

Personally, I would guess that the Non-Christians Are...thread on General Apologetics is the best one to find out why I'm here, as I posted why I'm here on there. I, personally, find the whole "Gee, why should any non-Christian be here unless they want to be a Christian?" speculation somewhat insulting, so I don't intend to say more right now.

Hi, Seebs. I wasn't the "original" poster, true, but I understood Blue to be referring to the original person she was responding to by that term. Of course, "Rae" makes it even more clear....

 

[bluesonata]

Personally, I would guess that the Non-Christians Are...thread on General Apologetics is the best one to find out why I'm here, as I posted why I'm here on there. I, personally, find the whole "Gee, why should any non-Christian be here unless they want to be a Christian?" speculation somewhat insulting, so I don't intend to say more right now.

Hi, Seebs. I wasn't the "original" poster, true, but I understood Blue to be referring to the original person she was responding to by that term. Of course, "Rae" makes it even more clear....

Thank you, Rae, that is what I meant by "original".

I can understand Non-Christians going to a Christian board to ask questions because they truly want to know how we believe. I have no problem with that. But because of the nature of the Christian faith (the belief in absolutes), non-Christians are quick to put down Christianity for that very reason (discussion between Rae and Jenna is a good example).

I think the whole crux of the situation is this: A true Christian believes in ABSOLUTE TRUTH. That is, there is ONE TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST IS HIS SON WHO CAME TO THIS EARTH TO DIE FOR OUR SINS. We, of ourselves, cannot enter into heaven. There is NOTHING we can do to redeem ourselves outside of Jesus Christ. Jesus Himself said, "No one comes to the Father, except by Me."

Contrary to popular belief, people are not naturally good. We are - in fact - naturally evil. (Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God"). ALL means EVERY ONE and each one of us is in need of salvation through Jesus Christ if we want to be saved from the damnation of hell. (John 3:18: "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.")

Because Jesus Christ is the ONLY WAY to heaven, and because the Bible expressly forbids ANY kind of witchcraft (whether it’s considered "good" or "bad"), I would have to emphatically renounce Wicca and any other religion that does not espouse Jesus Christ as God and our Lord and Saviour.

I am not here to condemn those who do not believe as I do; that’s not my place. Of course, you have the right and the freedom to believe as you choose. But if I come across as being "close minded", then so be it. You may see it as close mindedness, but I see it as conviction.

Thank you, Rae, for posting the thread as mentioned above. I will look it up.

 

[bluesonata]

But, the original poster DID say: "I couldn't be less interested in believing in Christianity..." If that's true, then what's the purpose of all of this discussion? What are you searching for?

To be strictly correct, the "original" poster wasn't the one who said that.

I would guess that both the original poster and Rae are searching for Christians whose love of their neighbors extends even to neighbors who disagrees with them. It takes a certain amount of determination to actually find any.

Just because I happen to disagree with Rae and the original poster doesn't mean that I'm incapable of loving them as my neighbor - simply because we disagree.  As stated in my post above, I believe in ABSOLUTE TRUTH.  I know that goes against the grain of most everyone who is not a Christian.  Just because I disagree with you, why is it that you accuse me of not loving my neighbor?  How can you get "I do not love my neighbor who does not believe as I do" out of "If that's true, then what's the purpose of this discussion?  What are you searching for?"  I simply asked a very valid question, and I believe that Rae stated she answered it in another thread, which I will be going over to read.

If I say, "It's OK that you don't believe as I do.  You can believe anything you want, and as long as you HONESTLY believe in whatever you want to believe, the gates of heaven will open for you" would show me not to love my neighbor as I would be lying if I were to say that.  If you truly care and love someone, you will tell them the Truth, no matter how much it hurts.  I would rather see someone hurt temporarily and ultimately saved, than for that person not to be offended and be ultimately condemned.

 

[Evening Mist]

Gee, Bluesonata, I thought I was a Christian too. But I certainly don't fit the narrow definition that you have presented here. I guess I'm out in the cold, huh?

I do not believe that people are basically evil. I believe we are good at our core, perfect creations of a perfect maker, who have become corrupt in our dealings with one another.

I have no idea what to make of your concept of "absolutes." If there *are* absolute truths, then most of them escape me, and I have to be content for now with simple "i don't knows."

I follow Jesus, because he is good and because he promises to redeem this awful mess we've made here on earth. I don't presume to speak to the issue of who he'll save and who he won't.

Does this make me a heathen your eyes, blue? I dunno. I guess its probably not your job to decide though.