Why do Christians hate Wicca(Witchcraft)?

[LilAngelHeart]

yeah i libe in the other parts of the world with different religions, but my point is that my views on witches, any kind, has nothing to do with my being a christian but more to do with their practices that i have witnessed. if u say "wiccas" are nothing like what i am describing,okay, but to me a witch is a witch, i have nothing against them and i dont hate them.




 

Anyone who practices witchcraft whether for "good" or for bad is a witch, and witchcraft is wrong period no matter what it's used for. Calling on ungodly spirits to help you do anything is wrong and totally against everything in the Bible and what the Bible stands for. Very dangerous to play around with ungodly spiritual forces.

 

[LilAngelHeart]

Wow Blondie. Those principles are very beautiful.
Much for me to think about.

The devil comes as an angel of light. Just because it's written so beautifully and poetically doesn't make it good or harmless.

 

[LilAngelHeart]

I agree totally that wiccans try to be good, moral people like everyone else, but trying doesn't make it true. There is nothing more evil about wicca than any other religion or lack of. What is evil is that you, like pretty much everyone else, are creating your own god. Wicca is different though because they have both the god and goddess, but there is only one Lord.
Also...
"Love the sinner, hate the sin." I'm really tired of the saying, and as far as I know it's not biblical.

Right, it's not about if they harm anyone or not. No one is saying that wiccans hurt people. They just don't know what they are doing when they play around with forces outside of God's power.

 

[LilAngelHeart]

That's okay. I doubt any Pagan will be swayed by one Christian, or a thousand, saying that our Gods aren't real. We know better. We experience them and we have faith in them. We see them everywhere that Christians see their God. We know Christians have no more proof than we do.

Our Gods are real, whether you believe in them or not.

Oh we know that your god is real. I do believe that you see him/her/it, it's of the devil's kingdom and the devil is real.

 

[LilAngelHeart]

I'm still working on it, but I honestly don't see how the principles of wicca run contrary to Christianity. They are some of the loveliest and profound principles I've come across.

[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]! Please don't be taken in by pretty words and cotten candy! Wiccans use the power of ungodly spirits, there's nothing pretty or lovely about that.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Remember guys, let's keep it nice:

[noflame]

 

[Rae]

I do believe that you see him/her/it, it's of the devil's kingdom

You can believe that if you want to, but it isn't true. My Gods are Gods, and your negative opinion of them means nothing to me.

 

[LastMaxim]

You can believe that if you want to, but it isn't true. My Gods are Gods, and your negative opinion of them means nothing to me.

Sure...the Bible makes it clear that there are many 'false gods' running around, playing at 'Being God', and fully able to deceive others into thinking they are following 'the right path', as it were. But, to have faith in the God of the Bible, means that you have to believe all of it, not just the peices you want to hear. Here is a handful of quotes, to illustrate my statements:

Exo 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before Me.

Exo 20:23 'You shall not make other gods besides Me; gods of silver or gods of gold, you shall not make for yourselves.

Exo 23:13 "Now concerning everything which I have said to you, be on your guard; and do not mention the name of other gods, nor let them be heard from your mouth.

Exo 23:32 "You shall make no covenant with them or with their gods.

Deu 6:14 "You shall not follow other gods, any of the gods of the peoples who surround you,

Deu 8:19 "It shall come about if you ever forget the LORD your God and go after other gods and serve them and worship them, I testify against you today that you will surely perish.

Note that 'perish' has the following meaning:
H6
אבד
'âbad
aw-bad'
A primitive root; properly to wander away, that is lose oneself; by implication to perish (causatively, destroy): - break, destroy (-uction), + not escape, fail, lose, (cause to, make) perish, spend, X and surely, take, be undone, X utterly, be void of, have no way to flee.

So, we can see that to 'perish' means to be 'separated from God', and it says in the above verse that this happens when we worship 'other gods'...also note that it means to 'wander away'...so, it's not God who is causing us to perish, but our actions. 1Co 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords,

1Co 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Gal 4:8 However at that time, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods.
Gal 4:9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?

1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

Heb 12:9 Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

And, I fully expect this to all sound rather foolish to you, and have no meaning...

1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
1Co 1:19 For it is written, "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE."
1Co 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness,
1Co 1:24 but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

1Co 2:1 And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God.
1Co 2:2 For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.

...for our opinion of your gods, is not truly our opinion, but the opinion of our God...

God Bless,
LastMaxim

 

[SquareC]

Sure...the Bible makes it clear that there are many 'false gods' running around, playing at 'Being God', and fully able to deceive others into thinking they are following 'the right path', as it were. But, to have faith in the God of the Bible, means that you have to believe all of it, not just the peices you want to hear. Here is a handful of quotes, to illustrate my statements:

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...for our opinion of your gods, is not truly our opinion, but the opinion of our God...

God Bless,
LastMaxim

And we are supposed to be swayed by words quoted from a book we do not believe, attributed to a God we do not worship? I find great love and peace in my Lady and Lord. I am not worshipping a devil or false god, I worship a divine pair who have been worshipped for centuries, predating Christianity. While the organized form and recognition of my religion are recent, the origins are ancient. Oh, by the way, not all Wiccans are witches. Some utilize magick in their rituals, but not all by any means. Wicca is first and foremost a religion. Magick is not a requirement.

 

[StarrShadowfyre]

Lastmaxim states: Sure...the Bible makes it clear that there are many 'false gods' running around, playing at 'Being God', and fully able to deceive others into thinking they are following 'the right path', as it were. But, to have faith in the God of the Bible, means that you have to believe all of it, not just the peices you want to hear.

Lastmaxim,
The Bible was translated into English by men who are not perfect and could possibly have mistakenly changed things either by accident or on purpose, and as you can tell there are a variety of different versions of the Bible so if like you say you have to believe all of it not bits and pieces how can you be 100% sure that the version you have chosen to follow is the true unrevised version?

Lilangelheart,
Wiccans are not evil we worship the same Almighty entity that you do. You prefer to call this Almighty entity God and Wiccan's call this Almighty entity God (male aspects of the Almighty entity) and Goddess (Female aspects of the Almighty entity). We all worship the same Almighty Entity although we do this differently based on the beliefs we have chosen to follow. You pray to God through your prayers, and we pray to God/Goddess through spells which are our version of prayers. So let's just say someone is sick and we wish for them to get better you would pray to God and ask for this I would pray to God/Goddess and ask for this also by performing a spell (which shows my intent for the person to get better) It may include lighting candles, using herbs, it may be through meditation by sending out our own positive energy to the person that is sick to aid them in getting better. Some of us may use the aid of other Deities much in the same way that those of the Catholic faith use the aid of Saints. Brightest Blessings,
Starr

 

[LastMaxim]

Lastmaxim,
The Bible was translated into English by men who are not perfect and could possibly have mistakenly changed things either by accident or on purpose, and as you can tell there are a variety of different versions of the Bible so if like you say you have to believe all of it not bits and pieces how can you be 100% sure that the version you have chosen to follow is the true unrevised version?

The many translations of the Bible are a big stumbling block to many. However, if one takes the time to actually study the translations, you'll find some interesting things. Some are most assuredly only out to make a dollar, and so peddle the Word for profit, and so have 'translated' the Bible to give people what they want to hear, not God's Word, but a more worldly,' watered down' version. However, if you compare things like the Dead Sea Scrolls, we find that this and the scripture translations we have today are very similar to each other, and so it lends the Word the credance you seem to want to be shown. However, language changes, and so we must try to keep up with the contempory language, and find translations of the words we use today. The King James Version uses much older words, still in english, but which are no longer used (widely) today. However the many translations protect the authenticy of the message, by having so many versions that agree 99.9% with each other, so that when a version comes along that disagrees with that message, we can see it for what it is.

Personally, I don't tend to follow any particular version, but rather most of them...and these all agree 100% with what I quoted earlier . They use several different words, at times, but say the same thing...different terminology, but the same teaching. "You shall have no other gods before Me. " is the first lesson He has given us, who believe in Him...

Further it is very true that the people who wrote the Books of the Bible were very much imperfect, but the God who gave them the words to write was not (again, His words, not mine ).

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Lilangelheart,
Wiccans are not evil we worship the same Almighty entity that you do. You prefer to call this Almighty entity God and Wiccan's call this Almighty entity God (male aspects of the Almighty entity) and Goddess (Female aspects of the Almighty entity). We all worship the same Almighty Entity although we do this differently based on the beliefs we have chosen to follow. You pray to God through your prayers, and we pray to God/Goddess through spells which are our version of prayers. So let's just say someone is sick and we wish for them to get better you would pray to God and ask for this I would pray to God/Goddess and ask for this also by performing a spell (which shows my intent for the person to get better) It may include lighting candles, using herbs, it may be through meditation by sending out our own positive energy to the person that is sick to aid them in getting better. Some of us may use the aid of other Deities much in the same way that those of the Catholic faith use the aid of Saints. Brightest Blessings,
Starr

...your God(s) tell you that they are the same as our God, the God of the Bible...but our God tells us that they are not one in the same...I choose to believe the Word of my God ...

 

[Shekinahs]

We don't hate witches, we just hate witchcraft and the practicing of witchcraft and the occult. Those things are a big NO-NO to Christians. To us, that is playing around with demons and ungodly spirits, very dangerous things to fool around with, you just don't know.

Ok, just for understanding purposes where do you get your understanding of what is witchcraft? How would you know you were or were not doing witchcraft? Actually anybody can answer this question on their own behalf.

~ShekinahMoon~

 

[Shekinahs]

Also, since when has a person being a witch have nothing to do with witchcraft, and the Bible is clearly against witchcraft. It also considers witchcraft as satanic worship. The Bible considers witchcraft as evil even if someone casts a spell to make someone do good, casting spells and witchcraft is evil period.

Ok I'll wait till you answer the first question I asked.

 

[Smilin]

..yeah, and pretty good ones, too. In the Hebrew/Aramaic/Greek it most certainly is defined metaphorically, but it is in a way that seems universally understood, then and now. 'Heart' is defined not only as the actual organ, but also the inner-most part of your being, the center, and most important part of you, such as we find here:

When those passages were written, was 'the heart'
used as a metaphor then? My historical theology
is a bit rusty, but I do believe that during that time
period 'the heart' was considered the 'inner most part
of one's being'. I'd loosely relate that to 'consciousness'
now. However, what constitutes 'consiciousness' is
a whole different discussion.

...the way you phrase things sometimes Smilin....

Well, you'd have to understand my culture and heritage
to begin with. To some Native American
traditionalists, Christianity is considered a cultural
'disease' due to the atrocities committed by
the invasion of the religion, the genocide of the
original natives, and the perversions of many
beautiful, peaceful cultures that flourished before
the Anglo-Saxon invasion.

Also, the statement made that once Christ gets into someone's 'heart' and can't get out brought back
memories of how my cousin passed on.

Yes, I do lack tactfulness and restraint at times on
how I word things. Yet I still work on that weakness.

:troll:[/QUOTE]

 

[LastMaxim]

And we are supposed to be swayed by words quoted from a book we do not believe, attributed to a God we do not worship? I find great love and peace in my Lady and Lord. I am not worshipping a devil or false god, I worship a divine pair who have been worshipped for centuries, predating Christianity. While the organized form and recognition of my religion are recent, the origins are ancient. Oh, by the way, not all Wiccans are witches. Some utilize magick in their rituals, but not all by any means. Wicca is first and foremost a religion. Magick is not a requirement.

Christanity as we know and love it today, yes, but Judiaism predates written language, and it is this God we are speaking of, the God of Abrahm, Isaac and Jacob. It is also true that many forms of paganism also predate written language. I believe what my God says, that it was He Who created the Heavens and the Earth, and every other created thing (everything but Himself ). It matters not to Him whether or not 'magic' is involved, only that worship of something (one) other than Him is taking place. And it is not for His benefit that He says this, but for those who chose to disobey Him, and chose another way, to their own detriment, for He says it will ultimately lead to permanent separation from Him...

 

[Smilin]

what sad sad people you are to associate the heart only with a mechanical being.

Who's guilty of that? Reread what I wrote. Since
when do 'mechanical beings' have organs? My association
was from the standpoint of Anatomy and Physiology.

a bright eyed testiment to your true intent. I thank the Lord I can see that fruit.

I take it your referring to me. What is my intent
and what fruit do I bare?

 

[Smilin]

The devil comes as an angel of light. Just because it's written so beautifully and poetically doesn't make it good or harmless.

ANNNDDDD Santa Clause visits once a year.
(this year I hope I get a motorcycle).

And just because he is so generous with his
gift giving, his habitual controlled crash landings
on our rooftops does not make him good or harmless.

 

[Smilin]

Christanity as we know and love it today, yes, but Judiaism predates written language, and it is this God we are speaking of, the God of Abrahm, Isaac and Jacob.

And that God is the same God of Islam, and Judaism;
Two other major religions of the world. Judaism, Islam,
and Christianity all arose from Abraham. Three different
religions, the same God, three different theologies.

 

[Smilin]

Anyone who practices witchcraft whether for "good" or for bad is a witch, and witchcraft is wrong period no matter what it's used for. Calling on ungodly spirits to help you do anything is wrong and totally against everything in the Bible and what the Bible stands for. Very dangerous to play around with ungodly spiritual forces.

So why do you 'suffer a witch to live' then?

 

[SquareC]

And that God is the same God of Islam, and Judaism;
Two other major religions of the world. Judaism, Islam,
and Christianity all arose from Abraham. Three different
religions, the same God, three different theologies.

And some of the bitterest rivalries you can imagine......