Why do Christians hate the theory of evolution?

[JGiddings]

I didn't say they did. I'm pointing out that BECAUSE Jesus is God, anything He speaks on is from the point of view of the Creator.

My apologies I read real quick cause I'm on my lunch break.

 

[Metal Minister]

My apologies I read real quick cause I'm on my lunch break.

No problem. I completely understand that.

 

[Alithis]

What I desire is for some one to post without judging another person's salvation or their Christian beliefs, twisting their words, or "rebuking" them because they don't interpret the bible the same way they do or make them angry.

What I desire is for some one to take personal responsibility for their actions and not blame other posters for their inane outbursts.

What I desire is to not get called a stalker when I reply negatively to some one's posts because they believe and are acting like they are God's appointed judge and jury.

Disagreeing with a person's viewpoint is completely different than what "some one" is doing....and it's apparent that I'm not the only one who notices that.

i think you missed my point...
-love..covers over anothers offence
-forgive us as we forgive others.

-do unto others ......

 

[standingtall]

i think you missed my point...
-love..covers over anothers offence
-forgive us as we forgive others.

-do unto others ......

I see where your coming from, man; however, I'm sure Christ loved the Pharisees even though he had no problem bringing to light their hypocrisy.

 

[Metal Minister]

I think, perhaps, I see the problem we're running into here. First we I think we need to establish what is accepted, and what is denied by both sides of the discussion. First and foremost, small changes (variations) are accepted by both sides, as these can be witnessed and empirically tested. The large scale changes (change in kinds) is not accepted by Creationists. I myself do not believe it, because it isn't scientific. It's based solely on assumption. It is impossible to empirically test such a claim. Perhaps we should take, one step at a time, one claim at a time, and examine each other's stances and see if we can't find a common ground?

 

[stan1953]

Looks like someone beat you to the punch.

Difference is the knowledge of how a "day" was measured.

We still measure days based on the solar and lunar cycles, so it's still pretty much the same.

 

[Bluelion]

What I desire is for some one to post without judging another person's salvation or their Christian beliefs, twisting their words, or "rebuking" them because they don't interpret the bible the same way they do or make them angry.

What I desire is for some one to take personal responsibility for their actions and not blame other posters for their inane outbursts.

What I desire is to not get called a stalker when I reply negatively to some one's posts because they believe and are acting like they are God's appointed judge and jury.

Disagreeing with a person's viewpoint is completely different than what "some one" is doing....and it's apparent that I'm not the only one who notices that.

Well again sense you can not stop speaking against me. I did post where you could have addressed every issue with me and you did not respond you rather go into other post i am in and mock and ridicule me. They You say don't rebuke me because I am not acting Christian. In fact I can back my actions up with the Bible. If your brother offends you let him know, if he will not repent bring him before the church if still no rebuke him.

The fact is I had you on ignore for a month and you still followed me around with out me speaking a word to you and posted about me, other quoted what you said. That is stalking.

You say me this or that and then call me a hypocrite look who is talking. You say I judge and get anger with people who disagree with me. You do the same. The fact is they are not my judgement but things which God has already judged, and I get angry when people say the word of God has errors, and that it does not mean what it says. I am trying to help those see.

You complain about me when what 5 or more of you have ganged up on me and then you have the nerve to say I am not acting Christian because I see the truth and believe Gods words. Yeah the TE people have really shown they are Christians by there action. Lets be clear less I be falsely accused again. I am not speaking to your salvation but where your fruit as not being from The Holy Spirit but of your self.

Let me remind you I am a baptist and in the section where people are suppose to share my beliefs every one who has jumped on me is from another faith. You come to my section where other share my beliefs and then attack me for them. Because there is no honor in that.I have said nothing that the Baptist church does not believe.

Have I respond harsh yes but you 5 are on a witch hunt calling out another one of my post which staff edit and I did not see and I thank staff for that.

If you are bringing your sacrifice and some one has something against you, leave it there go make amends with that person then bring your sacrifice. It does not matter if it is 5 of you or 50 You stand against God. God never will let me fall. Do not fear the terror by night or the arrows which fly by night. So keep shooting your arrows.

So the fact is standing tall you have been stalking me, mocking me and ridiculing me for over a month. Standing tall the name imply honor i don't see any honor in that or you. Those who exalt themselves will be humbled.

You 5 are impressed by your own wisdom of men, saying Adam and eve is not real is about the stupidest thing I ever heard. You call Gods word "a mystery" and then say i understand. Its a lot of double talk. Mystery is a puzzle which is not completely understood. Yet you say you understand. ok. I have asked time and time again for the TE to explain what the bible means your answer well its mystery so I say Oh you don't know or understand and then you say Oh we know. Your either blind or not which is it if not then explain.

Why am I so mad because all you TE do is attack. You have no answers.

The truth is you 5 bring out the worse in me, and I don't believe that is Gods will or a good thing to be said about a person. That is ok because Jesus defends me. You can not break me because you can not break God. He keeps me. deal with it.

 

[standingtall]

Well again sense you can not stop speaking against me. I did post where you could have addressed every issue with me and you did not respond you rather go into other post i am in and mock and ridicule me. They You say don't rebuke me because I am not acting Christian. In fact I can back my actions up with the Bible. If your brother offends you let him know, if he will not repent bring him before the church if still no rebuke him.

The fact is I had you on ignore for a month and you still followed me around with out me speaking a word to you and posted about me, other quoted what you said. That is stalking.

You say me this or that and then call me a hypocrite look who is talking. You say I judge and get anger with people who disagree with me. You do the same. The fact is they are not my judgement but things which God has already judged, and I get angry when people say the word of God has errors, and that it does not mean what it says. I am trying to help those see.

You complain about me when what 5 or more of you have ganged up on me and then you have the nerve to say I am not acting Christian because I see the truth and believe Gods words. Yeah the TE people have really shown they are Christians by there action. Lets be clear less I be falsely accused again. I am not speaking to your salvation but where your fruit as not being from The Holy Spirit but of your self.

Let me remind you I am a baptist and in the section where people are suppose to share my beliefs every one who has jumped on me is from another faith. You come to my section where other share my beliefs and then attack me for them. Because there is no honor in that.I have said nothing that the Baptist church does not believe.

Have I respond harsh yes but you 5 are on a witch hunt calling out another one of my post which staff edit and I did not see and I thank staff for that.

If you are bringing your sacrifice and some one has something against you, leave it there go make amends with that person then bring your sacrifice. It does not matter if it is 5 of you or 50 You stand against God. God never will let me fall. Do not fear the terror by night or the arrows which fly by night. So keep shooting your arrows.

So the fact is standing tall you have been stalking me, mocking me and ridiculing me for over a month. Standing tall the name imply honor i don't see any honor in that or you. Those who exalt themselves will be humbled.

You 5 are impressed by your own wisdom of men, saying Adam and eve is not real is about the stupidest thing I ever heard. You call Gods word "a mystery" and then say i understand. Its a lot of double talk. Mystery is a puzzle which is not completely understood. Yet you say you understand. ok. I have asked time and time again for the TE to explain what the bible means your answer well its mystery so I say Oh you don't know or understand and then you say Oh we know. Your either blind or not which is it if not then explain.

Why am I so mad because all you TE do is attack. You have no answers.

The truth is you 5 bring out the worse in me, and I don't believe that is Gods will or a good thing to be said about a person. That is ok because Jesus defends me. You can not break me because you can not break God. He keeps me. deal with it.

Thank you for proving the point of my post.

P.S....I'm not a TE, nor did I ever state I was one.

Oh, and I'm also Baptist.

 

[Metal Minister]

Folks, come on, we're attacking one another when we should be discussing our views and ideas! Please, let's get back to that?

 

[chiwawa]

Let me remind you I am a baptist and in the section where people are suppose to share my beliefs every one who has jumped on me is from another faith.

Are you implying that these people you speak of are "of another faith" i.e not Christian?

Even if you mean they are not baptist Christian, they are still "of the same faith". In any case, I am a Baptist, and because of that...

If your brother offends you let him know [...]

...I am offended.

Every other user here is trying to have a reasonable discussion on the topic. If this thread is causing you anger, please do not post in it.

 

[chiwawa]

I think, perhaps, I see the problem we're running into here. First we I think we need to establish what is accepted, and what is denied by both sides of the discussion. First and foremost, small changes (variations) are accepted by both sides, as these can be witnessed and empirically tested. The large scale changes (change in kinds) is not accepted by Creationists. I myself do not believe it, because it isn't scientific. It's based solely on assumption. It is impossible to empirically test such a claim. Perhaps we should take, one step at a time, one claim at a time, and examine each other's stances and see if we can't find a common ground?

Good approach. I'm curious to what small changes (variations) that creationist (at least you yourself) accept? Can you give an example?

 

[Metal Minister]

Good approach. I'm curious to what small changes (variations) that creationist (at least you yourself) accept? Can you give an example?

For example, Darwin's finches. Yes, their beaks changed, but they were still birds. We have a wide variety of dogs, yet they're still dogs, etc.

 

[chiwawa]

For example, Darwin's finches. Yes, their beaks changed, but they were still birds. We have a wide variety of dogs, yet they're still dogs, etc.

Interesting...

Dogs are the prime example of artificial selection. All dogs can trace their ancestors to the Gray Wolf. Early humans domesticated these wolves, chose the traits they liked in particular wolves, and bred them together. Over time, different 'species' of dog appeared, all the ones that we know and love today.

I assume we all agree on this, right?

 

[Metal Minister]

Interesting...

Dogs are the prime example of artificial selection. All dogs can trace their ancestors to the Gray Wolf. Early humans domesticated these wolves, chose the traits they liked in particular wolves, and bred them together. Over time, different 'species' of dog appeared, all the ones that we know and love today.

I assume we all agree on this, right?

I wouldn't argue that point. Though the word "species" is a bit slippery, it has quite a few definitions. I think I once found an article that showed 26 different definitions.

 

[chiwawa]

I wouldn't argue that point. Though the word "species" is a bit slippery, it has quite a few definitions. I think I once found an article that showed 26 different definitions.

You're right, "species" is quite ambiguous. I should have said "breeds".

But you do agree that this is how different breeds of dogs came to be?

 

[Metal Minister]

You're right, "species" is quite ambiguous. I should have said "breeds".

But you do agree that this is how different breeds of dogs came to be?

Yes, probably. Like I said, I wouldn't argue that.

 

[chiwawa]

Yes, probably. Like I said, I wouldn't argue that.

Great, we got some common ground.

After that, we would hit a wall if you are a YEC. If not...

We (people who adhere to evolution) believe that if dogs could have evolved in ~30,000 years from a gray wolf into a chiwawa...it is not farfetched that animals could evolve from simpler animals over very long periods of time.

Again, the belief in an old earth is needed first. After that hurdle, the rest is a cake walk.

 

[Metal Minister]

Great, we got some common ground.

After that, we would hit a wall if you are a YEC. If not...

We (people who adhere to evolution) believe that if dogs could have evolved in ~30,000 years from a gray wolf into a chiwawa...it is not farfetched that animals could evolve from simpler animals over very long periods of time.

Again, the belief in an old earth is needed first. After that hurdle, the rest is a cake walk.

Well as a YEC, we have a problem. The old earth is more than a single hurdle, and after that, there are successive hurdles that evolution has not acheived. I'm not sure if you saw them or not, but I posted a pair of videos earlier in this thread you may find fascinating. I'd urge you to give them a watch. Also, I posted another on DNA and how it's impossible for chimps and humans to have a common ancestor.

 

[stan1953]

Folks, come on, we're attacking one another when we should be discussing our views and ideas! Please, let's get back to that?

I fully agree.

 

[chiwawa]

Well as a YEC, we have a problem. The old earth is more than a single hurdle, and after that, there are successive hurdles that evolution has not acheived. I'm not sure if you saw them or not, but I posted a pair of videos earlier in this thread you may find fascinating. I'd urge you to give them a watch. Also, I posted another on DNA and how it's impossible for chimps and humans to have a common ancestor.

I watched one of the videos. A man named Jay Seegert was trying to point out flaws in evolution through grammar analogies. Very poorly, I may add.

I looked him up: he has degrees in Physics and Engineering Technology (Univ. of Wisconsin-Whitewater & John Brown University, respectively). He is not a biologist, and not even a scientist. His credibility in evolutionary biology is very slim, and his knowledge of it shows.

I havent seen your other posts (this thread is a jungle now, sorry!) but on DNA...its indisputable that our DNA is >90% the same as chimpanzees.