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im convinced mans dating system is flawed .
for instance carbon dating is based on something they know without doubt to be a certain age ...
(im not sure what that age is but i think itgs not more then 2000 years old . so using that as the template they then measure that something else is 80million years old .??
unless they can place beside it an object known to actually be 80,million years old with which to compare it -thier measurement is purley conjecture and not fact ... they know this but are seldom honest about it .
the dating system is accurate ,up to an approximation of 2000-3000 years .. beyond that they have absolutely no provable benchmark to base it on . they "streeetch" the age to fit their belief system rather then be honest and change what they believe .. because if they admit that the aging measurement they use is flawed .. they have to consider the bible true .
Jesus made five loaves and a few fish ... instantaneously create from nothing as he took them from the basket to feed five thousand ...
how is this different from creating the earth the same way .. the theory of 80millionyear old theistic evolution is based ...beneath all the hype and fancy words .. on doubt - which is unbelief .
wil the same "Christian " say amen when we quote ..-"with God ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE "and then with the same breath deny it ?
when the bible seems to contradict itself .that is a sign that we lack comprehension of it
So because her interpretation of the bible differs from you, she belongs with the atheists? This is wrong Bluelion. In this world you are going to find plenty of fellow Christians who disagree with you on certain things, and pulling out the heretic/heresy card, and treating them like they are not brothers and sisters in Christ, is not right.
Christians have an overly high opinion of humanity if they believe that all humans were specially created. Pretty strange considering how dimwitted, repulsive, and evil most humans are.
Maybe we were just a practice run?
Because as Christians we believe in the Genesis account of creation. Evolution is a theory that takes God as the author of creation out of the equation. I personally do not see why science and Christianity need to fight. In my opinion God is the creator of science therefore science and Christianity can work together. You don't have to pick one or the other you can have both.
Christians have an overly high opinion of humanity if they believe that all humans were specially created. Pretty strange considering how dimwitted, repulsive, and evil most humans are.
Maybe we were just a practice run?
The Lord Jesus is my God, if you argue the Bible is not correct no you do not belong in this section as our statement of faith. It is not disagreeing with me but the forum rules. Not only that I know of no church which teaches the Bible is only half true, then you get into well Jesus was not really resurrected or really God as man, he was Just a man. It is a heresy and all kinds of heresy comes from. You better make sure you are right before you open your mouth. God is right, I was speaking in favor of God, to argue against it is to argue with God.
Perhaps you will back up what you say and show me where in the Bible it says it was written by men and has errors and can not be trusted, because mine says it is The Word of God. I don't appreciate being told i am wrong when I am right and acting like a child of God should with my rebuke to her.
She spoke against God's word and should be rebuked for it, and how is it you defend her do you want part in her sin, because that is what your getting into. There is your rebuke.
The Lord Jesus is my God, if you argue the Bible is not correct no you do not belong in this section as our statement of faith. It is not disagreeing with me but the forum rules. Not only that I know of no church which teaches the Bible is only half true, then you get into well Jesus was not really resurrected or really God as man, he was Just a man. It is a heresy and all kinds of heresy comes from. You better make sure you are right before you open your mouth. God is right, I was speaking in favor of God, to argue against it is to argue with God.
Perhaps you will back up what you say and show me where in the Bible it says it was written by men and has errors and can not be trusted, because mine says it is The Word of God. I don't appreciate being told i am wrong when I am right and acting like a child of God should with my rebuke to her.
She spoke against God's word and should be rebuked for it, and how is it you defend her do you want part in her sin, because that is what your getting into. There is your rebuke.
Actually the number one reason people are leaving Christianity is the fact that evolution is a fact and it is totally contrary to the Bible. Those who see this realise they are wasting their time in church, since either the church is wrong, or they are just like the rest of the world, so why bother going to church? The very soul of the gospel is at stake if we are wrong about the beginnings. If evolution is right, then God is cruel for sending his son to die for some imaginary man's sin, since there is no such thing as sin, only our baser instincts, and that there is no Adam and Eve.Agreed 100%, Awaken4Christ. I only brought this up because I am sick of people focusing on such divisive issues to the point that they make their entire faith about them. When non-believers think "Fundamental Christian," they generally think not so nice things. I was a non-believer once, and unless we had the fortune of being born into a fundamentalist family, all of us once were. I simply am bringing the outside perspective that if people stopped focusing on the most inane garbage and focused on bringing people to God, we as Christians would be much more successful in saving people's souls. Just a few of the vitriolic reactions I received from a simple question about scriptural accuracy made me want to leave the forum. Do you respond that way to everyone who asks you that? How many do you save that way? We as Christians should be careful with our language - I even think someone referred to me as homosexual. Well buddy, I've served 6 years in the Army, attained the rank of Captain, and commanded men in combat. During my tour in Afghanistan, my fiancee left me. I've developed PTSD due to my service and severe depression from my fiancee. But I've kept faith in God, and that's the only thing that has kept me alive. You want to have a discussion about love and loss, brother? Or do you want to keep making accusations about homosexuality? Let's get into the serious issues in life, how about that? Or do you want to talk about random peoples' sexual orientations that put them on the same level as liars, thieves, and other violators of the Law?
And I looked it up, it's in the next couple pages. Someone could have simply told me that instead of being self-righteously angry toward a simple question. I've never been so offended in my life.
If the Bible is full of errors, then why isn't the resurrection of Jesus one of them? I mean you trust "science" when it says the earth and the universe is old, contrary to the Bible and yet you believe some man died and rose again physically, contrary to known science? Clearly you are contradicting yourself, since you are denying one miracle, but for some accepting another miracle as fact.Moses didn't write Genesis. The earth is old. Evolution is a fact. The bible contains errors and was written by mankind. And Jesus rose from the dead.
Kindly don't infer that people who don't believe Moses don't believe in the resurrection. That renders them non Christian and that's against the rules
finally! yes ! >>> "evolution is CONTRARY to the Bible"....
of course, those who think "evolution is a fact" don't know the Bible(or don't believe it).
btw, hollywood admits evolution is false, but they love the money it brings in !!!!!.
finally! yes ! >>> "evolution is CONTRARY to the Bible"....
of course, those who think "evolution is a fact" don't know the Bible(or don't believe it).
btw, hollywood admits evolution is false, but they love the money it brings in !!!!!.
here is truth- that JESUS ..the spoken word of God became flesh and lived as one opf us and laid down his life for as to die for our sin and for our guilt and whoso ever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life and now he has risen from the dead and lives forever more as the first fruit of all those who will obey God by believing in the one whom he sent .
Yes - the enemy has deceived mankind. Whether that happened to one person as per a literal reading, or to all of mankind as per an allegorical reading, is not so important.here is fact the serpent LIED to eve in Eden ..
God is our creator (I think we agree again). But the bible doesn't say that He didn't use evolution. It doesn't say He did use evolution. It is simply silent on the topic. Do you agree with both think of Him as Creator, and that our unity is a wonderful thing?here is truth -in the beginning GOD created (not evolved) the heavens and the earth .
The only thing evolution is contrary with is a literal reading of the opening chapters of Genesis.here is fact - the theory of evolution is contrary to the truth .
the truth is -we must believe
the fact is - some tell lies.
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any christian who claims to believe in evolution please consider this -
When JESUS fed the 5000 .. did the fish and the loaves evolve in the basket over thousands of years in order to BE there for the 5000 to eat .. or did the creator of the heavens and the earth instantaneously create them out of nothing but his will ..on the spot ?
Evolution is contrary to a literal reading of Genesis - agreed. And yet, I believe both evolution and the resurrection. I think this slippery slope argument is a fallacy... denying literalism of the early chapters of Genesis does not imply that the gospels are not literal. They are an entirely different genre of literature.
Those who think "evolution is a fact" - me - both know and believe the bible. It is not our knowledge or belief that is different but our interpretations.
God bless
We agree. Maybe we should pause here and have a little celebration party. Perhaps the biggest truth of the entire universe we agree on. Let's put our disagreement in perspective.
Yes - the enemy has deceived mankind. Whether that happened to one person as per a literal reading, or to all of mankind as per an allegorical reading, is not so important.
God is our creator (I think we agree again). But the bible doesn't say that He didn't use evolution. It doesn't say He did use evolution. It is simply silent on the topic. Do you agree with both think of Him as Creator, and that our unity is a wonderful thing?
The only thing evolution is contrary with is a literal reading of the opening chapters of Genesis.
It was a miracle and we aren't told how He did it - other than it happened right then and there. I wouldn't want to infer anything about how He performs miracles. I do believe this miracle occurred.
I think the concerns that literalists have about the impacts of accepting evolutionary theory are overstated.
Your idea of rebuke is "she disagrees with me therefore send her to the atheist section"? Dude, not cool. That doesn't work in the real world.
Calling the biblical text errant is not the same thing as refusing it as the Word of God or as infallible. It is not the same thing as saying it has no value and can't be trusted.
And now you are rebuking someone for pointing out that your rebuke was not only wrong but ungracious.
God bless your socks off
She was not speaking against God's word, she was just has a different interpretation then you on how God inspired the authors to write the bible.
As you can see here, there are many different views on it.
Biblical inspiration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So already not all Christians share the same view. We all agree that the Bible is inspired by God, but Christians do disagree on what "inspiration" means.
And yes the Bible was written by men. Me and her saying that does not remove God and his inspiration from the Bible, its just stating a fact. God used PEOPLE to write the bible.
And if you do your research on the topic, you would know that there are some contradictions within the bible. But that makes sense, because people are not perfect in everything, and it makes sense for some errors to exist.
But as Jesus Christ was both fully God and fully Man, the Bible is a collection of many books in which both God and Man played a role in creating.
that does rather hit the hammer of belief on the proverbial head of the nail of faith Bluelion
Fact is there is no evidence for evolution.
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