Why do Christians hate the theory of evolution?

[JGiddings]

FAITH is substance of things hoped for , the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN

Agreed.

virus mutating can be instantaneously stopped by prayer ....

No, it can't.
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[JGiddings]

I honestly think sayre is being very intelligent in her conversation (a few posts are a bit snide though) She is getting ganged up on...but this is the Baptist forum!

I won't name names BUT some posters need to chill out big time. I just got done reading the entire thread...it has deteriorated for sure!!!!


michaelmynameIs is like the ref here. I like that man.

Keep em on track my friend.

*off soapbox*

 

[Bluelion]

prayer has raised the dead you don't think it can stop a virus? Tell me where the science is in raising the dead ?

 

[Alithis]

Originally Posted by michaelmynameIs


FAITH is substance of things hoped for , the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN

Agreed.

virus mutating can be instantaneously stopped by prayer ....

No, it can't.

------- lol well you only have my testimony to go on .. but iv been healed of the cold and flu virus ... suddenly .. so by prayer .. it was stopped in its tracks ..

that's what i mean by that ... in case you misunderstood

 

[JGiddings]

Yeah I must have misunderstood...you said virus mutation can be stopped by prayer...didn't know you meant just defeating virus in your system.
My apologies.

To Bluelion don't twist my words You have been doing it to people the entire thread.
I'm not going to play your game of insinuation question and answer thing you got going on here.
You know you're doing it so stop I'm not the only one Here who has noticed it and we're not stupid.
Carry on.

 

[JGiddings]

prayer has raised the dead you don't think it can stop a virus? Tell me where the science is in raising the dead ?

I'm not going to respond to this you weren't even in the conversation. You obviously don't know what happy face emoticons mean

 

[Bluelion]

Yeah I must have misunderstood...you said virus mutation can be stopped by prayer...didn't know you meant just defeating virus in your system.
My apologies.

To Bluelion don't twist my words You have been doing it to people the entire thread.
I'm not going to play your game of insinuation question and answer thing you got going on here.
You know you're doing it so stop I'm not the only one Here who has noticed it and we're not stupid.
Carry on.

oh i see you have judged me. i asked an honest question you have no reason to be up set with that. Oh your TE right? now I get it. TE verse the blue lion

Seems a bit hypocritical you were not in my conversation either and they were not address to you yet you are offended by them. I really don't care if I offend TE, The whole thread was meant to start something in the first place by placing it in the Baptist section and a title like Why do baptist hate evolution.

I am not blind either and I see what people intentions are, now your complaining because it is heated what did you expect putting it here.

Not only that the OP open with
I know in current versions, the Bible says He took dirt from the earth and molded man, but according to the literal hebrew translation, he simply "fattened" man, which I see as some sort of "process." In my opinion, the Bible actually supports a God-driven evolution more than it does creationism. After all, why couldn't God have evolved man himself? If He created evolution, who are we to deny it? Here is the literal translation of the Hebrew text so you can read that God "fattened" mankind, and did not make him from clay (on page 21):


which is a complete lie and when I addressed it the Op left. His intention was to cause trouble in this section that is why he did not stay to debate and look it brought all the TE to discuss TE is a section that does not agree with it. Seems a bit self righteous of you to judge me as the trouble maker in the thread.

 

[Bluelion]

ANd for the record I get offended when people say the Bible has errors, and Adam and EVe are myths, and chimps are the image of God. Thing is People have been explaining why they believe what they believe except for the TE people, when ask to explain there thinking on the Bible they bail. When ask they to explain they run, why because they can not. This is a an Attack on people who Believe the word of God, and us defending it, Not once has any TE explain what they think the Bible meant then. They give no answers or insight on the Bible only TE. Well that makes a one sided conversation.

 

[standingtall]

ANd for the record I get offended when people say <snip>, and chimps are the image of God.

Where did anyone say chimps are the image of God? Post the quote, please.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

Where did anyone say chimps are the image of God? Post the quote, please.

He is not going to find a quote, because people who accept that God created the world, and humans are a special creation to him, which so happened to come into being using evolution, are not going to say that, because they don't believe that.

We are still created in the image of God even if our physical bodies are genetically related to chimps, because the "image of God" does not refer to our physical bodies but something else.

If the image of God referred to our bodies, then in Genesis, God's form would be that (or similar looking) to a Man.

 

[Bluelion]

He is not going to find a quote, because people who accept that God created the world, and humans are a special creation to him, which so happened to come into being using evolution, are not going to say that, because they don't believe that.

We are still created in the image of God even if our physical bodies are genetically related to chimps, because the "image of God" does not refer to our physical bodies but something else.

If the image of God referred to our bodies, then in Genesis, God's form would be that (or similar looking) to a Man.

saying men came from chimps takes away they came from God. and He said let us create man in our image.

26 Then God said, &#8220;Let us make human beings in our image, to be like us. They will reign over the fish in the sea, the birds in the sky, the livestock, all the wild animals on the earth, and the small animals that scurry along the ground.&#8221;

27 So God created human beings[c] in his own image.
In the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

Your right the Image of God is more than body, but when you say man came from chimps and not dust you take away the image of God. You say in fact chimps are like God, that is not what the Bible says it says man Is like God and Adam was.

WHy don't you explain how man came from chimps given that Bible verse. Like I said TE will not explain there position in relations to the Bible because they can't. They just attack those who take God at His word. People make comments about me, but that does not Seem to be what Jesus taught or the way of God to me.

I would love some one to explain to me what God was saying then?

You also say that Christ bloodline could be traced from Adam to chimps Which is blaspheme.

 

[Metal Minister]

Just because I keep seeing the misunderstanding that we are genetically related to chimps, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2-gwcgX4t0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[standingtall]

saying men came from chimps takes away they came from God. and He said let us create man in our image.
<snip>
You also say that Christ bloodline could be traced from Adam to chimps Which is blaspheme.

Once again, you misrepresent. Nobody on this thread has stated man came from chimps.

 

[AmericanChristian91]

saying men came from chimps takes away they came from God. and He said let us create man in our image.

Saying that Man is genetically related to all life on earth (including chimps), does not take away the fact that him and the rest of the species were created by the will of God.

He is our creator, whether evolution happened or not.

By the way, the theory of evolution does not state we came from chimps (we didn't), but that chimps are a species that are closely related to us genetically speaking. When it comes to evolution, chimps our not our direct ancestors (the theory teaches that non-human apes shares a common ancestor along time go with humanity).

 

[Metal Minister]

Saying that Man is genetically related to all life on earth (including chimps), does not take away the fact that him and the rest of the species were created by the will of God.

He is our creator, whether evolution happened or not.

By the way, the theory of evolution does not state we came from chimps (we didn't), but that chimps are a species that are closely related to us genetically speaking. When it comes to evolution, chimps our not our direct ancestors (the theory teaches that non-human apes shares a common ancestor along time go with humanity).

Which has almost no proof aside from assumption.

 

[Bluelion]

Saying that Man is genetically related to all life on earth (including chimps), does not take away the fact that him and the rest of the species were created by the will of God.

He is our creator, whether evolution happened or not.

By the way, the theory of evolution does not state we came from chimps (we didn't), but that chimps are a species that are closely related to us genetically speaking. When it comes to evolution, chimps our not our direct ancestors (the theory teaches that non-human apes shares a common ancestor along time go with humanity).

why did you only quote part of my post why not the Bible verse. I asked you to address what they mean then, can you not explain?

Ok so you say we are related to chimps but did not come from them, so where is the missing link we supposedly came from. How about the TE stop attacking the word of God and start explaining it.

 

[Alithis]

implying that God made one thing,which then evolved into another thing ?

God formed man from the dust of the earth .. one can see how that could be conceived to me a form of evolving ..from dust to man .

however science cannot explain it being done in a day ..that is beyond the scope and comprehension of science .
so science casts off (not necessarily by intention) the notion that with God NOTHING is impossible and attempted to explain it from within its extremely limited understanding.
the problem here is , not accepting that God is able to form man from the dust of the earth in a single day ..is allowing carnal reasoning to over ride faith (and without faith it is impossible to please God .)
and it raises the question of .. why would we as believers in God wish to dilute faith with carnal reasoning ?

 

[AmericanChristian91]

the problem here is , not accepting that God is able to form man from the dust of the earth in a single day ..is allowing carnal reasoning to over ride faith

No one here is saying that God can not do that. God has the power to create the universe and everything in it in just 6 24hr days (he could even do it in lesser time). God could use actual dust to form Man instantaneously if he wanted to.

But when theists accept evolution (and also how long it took for the universe to form), they are not saying that God does not have the power to create without evolution, or create the universe very fast, they are simply saying that the evidence that exists within the world paints a different picture of the past then some super fast creation of life.

 

[Metal Minister]

No one here is saying that God can not do that. God has the power to create the universe and everything in it in just 6 24hr days (he could even do it in lesser time). God could use actual dust to form Man instantaneously if he wanted to.

But when theists accept evolution (and also how long it took for the universe to form), they are not saying that God does not have the power to create without evolution, or create the universe very fast, they are simply saying that the evidence that exists within the world paints a different picture of the past then some super fast creation of life.

There are major problems with this. I'll skip the scriptural quotes as I'm sure you know them, but I'll state this. The vast bulk of "evidence" for deep time either 1) is based solely on assumption or 2) has another plausible explanation that is Ignored based on naturalistic only worldviews or 3) is a complete fabrication.

Let's start with the Big Bang, as both atheists and TE's use this as the beginning. (Different causes same event.)

"Spike Psarris"

"Seattle Creation Conference 2007"

Just to start...

 

[Alithis]

No one here is saying that God can not do that. God has the power to create the universe and everything in it in just 6 24hr days (he could even do it in lesser time). God could use actual dust to form Man instantaneously if he wanted to.

But when theists accept evolution (and also how long it took for the universe to form), they are not saying that God does not have the power to create without evolution, or create the universe very fast, they are simply saying that the evidence that exists within the world paints a different picture of the past then some super fast creation of life.

and here is a problem with that thinking ..
you have to exercise faith in the word of science ..over faith in the word GOD .
because man has no true verifiable measure of time and age in relation to anything older then what he already knows the provable age to be ..
in simplicity we have objects we can verify (because they were preserved and recorded that far back ) as being 2 to 3 thousand years old ..
but to take that as the basis to verify something is 40 million years old ..is not fact .. it is faith .the only difference is ..it is placing faith in mans extremely limited scientific knowledge (which is constantly being self corrected as more new information proves its past assumptions wrong )..over and above faith in Gods word .
and the truth is . man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God .
So even implying we should have any trust what so ever in mans scientific intellect in regard to fully unverifiable theories of evolution ..is asking me to put more faith in man then i am ever willing to do .
because man has consistently failed me .. where as God never has .