Why do Christians hate swearing in music?

[jarshwoo]

Quote: And I don't recall ever saying that swearing is wrong

If swearing isn't wrong then tommorrow when you go to work start swearing obscenities at your boss and co-workers. Would that be cursing? Would that be wrong?

In my original post I made a reference to a curse word with asteriks in place of letters and was told that it was wrong. I rest my point.

 

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[philN]

You didn't make a point.

I already said that context was important. There are certain people that I can say things to and I know they will not be offended. There are other people that I know will be offended. Just because you can't do something everywhere does not make it wrong everywhere.

I assume you go to bathroom on occassion. Well if that isn't wrong, then tomorrow when you go to work start going to the bathroom in front of your boss and co-workers. Would that be wrong??

Just because this message board censors certain words does not make them wrong. They censor words or asteriks that might imply certain words because they don't want others to be offended.

 

[JesusFreak786]

I never said you didn't understand those words. I put them in quotes because what we may deem to be an obscenity or a profane word may not be so deemed in another country.


I'm not claiming to be a Calvinist. I am a Calvinist.

And I don't recall ever saying that swearing is wrong --quite the contrary, actually. Words can't be good or evil. They are amoral. However, I did say it was wrong to take the Lord's name in vain. The Bible is pretty clear cut on that.

I don't really see what is confusing you.

im confused................ my small brain gets too much excercise during school and is not tired

 

[philN]

Short and simple:

I am a Calvinist.

I do not think swearing in and of itself is wrong.

 

[Letalis]

What constitutes cuss words are dictated to us by our culture and language.

For example, there is no difference in meaning between the 's' word and the word that begins with 'c' and ends with 'p' (this site blocks out the word for some reason). Likewise with other cuss words. But because our culture says it is a cuss word, then we assume that it is immoral.

However, cuss words are instinctively neutral.

 

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[GreenDragon]

Well I don't think cussing is wrong. Overuse gets annoying, but that's the same with any other word. Have you tried talking like, to a teenage like girl, that is always like, saying the word like? It's annoying -.- Saying a cuss word every other word in a sentence is annoying too. But using them as regular words is not, and as long as they are used the way they are supposed to (to emphasis something).

I cuss by the way, but never around my family or other adults. I think the strength of the words can be disrespectful to them, and you never know who gets offended. Whenever I want to play music with cuss words in it, I always ask everyone around if it would offend them.

 

[philN]

I think that's a good way to go about it. Overuse impies ignorance and lack of knowledge of more common vocabulary. And I think that being careful not to offend is definitely something to keep in mind. Context is everything.

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

People can do, say, or sing whatever they like. If all you can come up with are curse words than if doesn't say much about you or your intelligence.

Matthew 15:18 (KJV): But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

 

[philN]

That verse doesn't really apply here. You are presupposing that some words are morally better than others. And as words are amoral, you aren't really making any argument, but stating an opinion --an unsupported opinion.

Unless, of course, you can prove that words have moral value. I'd be interested in hearing your case for that.

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

Word have the value we give them. The verse shows that what a person speaks represents what's in their heart. Hatefull heart, hateful words. Lustfull heart, lustfull words. Just as you can judge a person by the fruit of their works, you can judge their heart by their choice of words.

Matthew 12:33 (KJV): Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

 

[Snow Angel]

Well you have heard it's not what you put in your mouth that condemns you
it's what comes out of your mouth,and what about not taking the name of
the Lord god in vain :

 

[philN]

Right, but what if I decided that the word "trousers" was a bad word. People could say "pants", that's an acceptable euphemism, but you can't go ahead and actually say the word "trousers".

Would that give me the right to go around telling people they are sinning or they are saying corrupt things whenever they say "trousers"?

Also, I'm not entirely sure you can make a blanket statement that all words that we deem profane are hateful. It is a given that if a word is used to cut someone down that someone is using the word inappropriately. But if I am in a room all by myself without anyone around to offend and I fall on my backside and say, ++++edited +++I don't see how you can attach a moral value to something that is completely amoral.

 

[philN]

Taking the Lord's name in vain is an obvious exception because the Bible specifically speaks against it. If you find a verse that says, "Thou shalt not say the words that society has attached a negative moral value to", then my opinion would be quite different.

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

I never said all words we deem profain are hatefull. You are either trying to change what I have said on purpose or you don't understand the example I used. I was simply stating that a person who speaks hatefully, curse words or not, will be viewed as hatefull. I also never said cursing was a sin. As far as I can tell only taking the Lord's name in vain is something God does not find acceptable. I however choose to watch what I say since God hears all I say. If I wouldn't say it in front of Him. I probobly should not say it in front of anyone. And most people would agree that certain words have a value that is less than appropiate to use in certain situations. If society feels that way why would God thinking that way be so unimaginable?

 

[philN]

I'm sorry, I'm confusing some of what you said with some things other people said.

However, I would like to point out a few things:

I however choose to watch what I say since God hears all I say. If I wouldn't say it in front of Him. I probobly should not say it in front of anyone

I am very careful about how I use language. Language is a gift from God that enables us to communicate. However, when we are talking to God, is it wrong to say exactly what we mean, without using euphemisms? You said that you didn't say words were evil. So then, isn't it possible that in certain contexts it would be completely fine to use language that is strong.

If society feels that way why would God thinking that way be so unimaginable?

Do you remember the entire Old Testament? Israel wanted to do things one way, and God wanted to do things another way. Just because society says one thing does not mean that it is what God desires.


Also, I beleieve I said this before, but Paul uses the Greek equivalent of the s-word in his letter to the Philippians. I'm sure that offended people back then, and yet it was part of God's inspired word. Makes you wonder if societal standards of language really have a whole lot of bearing what God thinks.

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

Ok.

 

[Zaac]

Seriously, I still cannot figure this out. Everytime I talk to a Christian about music, most of the time they say they don't listen to a particular type of music because of all the swearing. What is so bad about swearing in music? I don't think there is anything wrong with it. It is a way of expressing certain emotions in a deep way, and its a way of releasing anger and frustration, so they don't get a heart attack or something.. Plus, saying "gee golly gosh shucks darn" doesn't really work anyway. Can't people respect other artists, even if they use crude language? I know some people that swear sometimes and they are very nice and kind people. I too swear and am still nice to people. Just cuz a music artist swears doesnt mean they are a bad or rude person, that is they're style, and the most comfortable way for them to express them self. Plus people tell me "the bible says that swearing is wrong." Who cares what the Bible says! They did not swear in Bible times like we do today, so it's irrelevant! I've never read a Bible verse that said "Thou shall not listen to music with cuss words" I think it is ok to listen to whatever music you want to, God is not going to cast us out of heaven because of a few songs we listened to while we are on earth. I am NOT bashing Christianity or its beliefs, I'm just challenging a highly popular Christian theory. Say whatever you want, I won't argue.

Because Jesus Christ is on His throne and He has set the standard for christians on what is acceptable and what is not.

29Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. Ephesians 4:29

Our words are to edify and point people toward a HOLY Jesus Christ. ANd allowing unwholesome talk to roll from our tongues in no way presents an accurate picture of a HOLY Jesus Christ that has come to indwell us.

Likewise, a little yeast will infect the whole batch. If Christians sit and listen to cussing, they will inevitably become more tolerant of it and may even start to cuss themselves.

We are not to give the devil a toehold because once he gets his toe in the door, he'll be trying to get his leg in there and then the rest of his body. This is how people are led astray. They are convinced that which God says is wrong is somehow okay, and it leads to other sin being accepted.

We are called to be HOLY, not tolerant of sin.

If a person swears, then he needs to go swear to people who are not concerned about their testimonies for Christ. But that's why the music sells so much because the audience is for the most part people who are not serious about Jesus Christ.

You can't serve two masters. You can't cast aside your allegiance to Jesus Christ and your committment to HIS right in order to be entertained by music, films or anything else. He is either the Lord of your life or your actions will present your desire for something else to be the god of your life.

 

[Zaac]

What constitutes cuss words are dictated to us by our culture and language.

For example, there is no difference in meaning between the 's' word and the word that begins with 'c' and ends with 'p' (this site blocks out the word for some reason). Likewise with other cuss words. But because our culture says it is a cuss word, then we assume that it is immoral.

However, cuss words are instinctively neutral.

What is constituted as unwholesome talk is dictated by Jesus Christ.

All of you who don't think cussing is wrong , go cuss your mamas out and see what the response is. See if she thinks your cussing her out is edifying or respectful of her place in your life.