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Read Acts 16:30.
Are you afraid to answer? BTW, the answer is in v31 not v30.
“Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved", which was in response to the jailer asking, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?”
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I am glad that we can agree on that. Therefore, we can further agree that you do not [by implication and fruition] believe in Universalism.
But you are still left with John 6:44 and the mention of αὐτόν (him). Is the αὐτόν of the drawing the same αὐτόν of the raising?
I just quoted it to you, so make your point or stop with the inane questions.
I NEVER said faith preceded regeneration in my theology. That's your invention. This is what I said:You said it all happened simultaneously. I said that faith logically preceded regeneration on your theology. You said no it didn't. I asked if faith preceded regeneration in your theology. You said it did.
No misrepresentation on my part.
Quit your misrepresentation (eisegesis) of my view.Faith, repentance, regeneration-new birth, justification and conversion happen simultaneously - in my understanding.
You know!
I NEVER said faith preceded regeneration in my theology. That's your invention. This is what I said:
Quit your misrepresentation (eisegesis) of my view.
I've already made my point. You're the one who started in with the questions in post 602.
Then why say it does?
For which you never answered.
As I have said repeatedly, no. Those who bring it up all the time are simply bringing up a straw man to deflect from the actual issue of Unlimited Atonement.
I have no idea what you mean I'm left with John 6:44?
Obviously the two uses of αὐτός (autos) refer to a HUMAN and not just a man.
It isn't a strawman, because, from my experience, the normative position of synergists is to try and prove a prevenient grace from John 12:32, therefore believing that "all men" in 12:32 is "all men without qualification".
Your left with a use of ἕλκω which means something more than "empathy towards our inner heart", in your words.
Okay... I wasn't trying to draw a distinction between man/human, but whatever. My point is this:
(a)No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him.
And
(b)I will raise him up on the last day.
So the him who is drawn is clause (a) is the same him who is raised in clause (b). Drawing results in raising. There is no one who is drawn that is not raised. If this be the case (and it must be), then the drawing here is something greater than a simple "empathy".
That's also not an answer, just an equivocal denial.
This is another false accusation by you against me. When will you quit your false representation of that I said.Your statement in post 564 says otherwise.
This is another false accusation by you against me. When will you quit your false representation of that I said.
This is my response at #564:
Originally Posted by Hammster
And they said, Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household. (Acts 16:31 ESV)There is not a word in my response at #564 that states that faith comes BEFORE regeneration. Not a word.
It's your eisegesis of my posts AGAIN.
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