Why do all believers connected with "tongues".....

[Hazelelponi]

I wonder, if you 'speak falsely' in tongues, you are deluded, you are cheating yourself and others that you have something from God that you don't, you basically are a liar, give false testimony, and are contributing in making your church look bad,

NOW, i went to church being an almost unbeliever, and the Holy spirit touched me, i know it was him, because since that day i am convinced that God interacts with people and is close to people, now this church, some people there speaks in tongues... i don't but, YOU CONNECT THE DOTS THERE?, if they were a bunch of self deluded, liars and false people, like someone who thinks he has the gifts of tongues and they don't then, WHY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THERE?, i bet my life it was the Holy spirit, and that was not the only time God touched me, they were several more occasions.

So, think what you want but take in consideration this.

There's a consideration many may not think of, but what it it's just to oppose Satan? It's like saying see, I can bring people to myself even here, and you can't do anything against me...

Just a thought anyway. I mean, there are some churches so full of false teachings that you wonder how anyone can walk out truly saved... but some still do even in the oddest of places.. So that may be the answer.

I know my husband doesn't generally like saying boo against any church so as not to hurt those who are God's there... and you wonder why God doesn't pull people out, and sometimes it's so bad He does but other times He just leaves them... I rather think it's a statement to God's power though, and not a statement about a churches teachings.

 

[NBB]

There's a consideration many may not think of, but what it it's just to oppose Satan? It's like saying see, I can bring people to myself even here, and you can't do anything against me...

Just a thought anyway. I mean, there are some churches so full of false teachings that you wonder how anyone can walk out truly saved... but some still do even in the oddest of places.. So that may be the answer.

I know my husband doesn't generally like saying boo against any church so as not to hurt those who are God's there... and you wonder why God doesn't pull people out, and sometimes it's so bad He does but other times He just leaves them... I rather think it's a statement to God's power though, and not a statement about a churches teachings.

Why people are so sure speaking of tongues is for false christians or something? i just don't get it, God does a lot of stuff even today, speaking in tongues is not even or should not be the best he does.

 

[NBB]

Even Paul had to deal with churches that missused tongues, so instead of saying tongues is for fake people because people do it with not so much order or something, why not just think they are just not being orderly and it should be better, but not just say they are a bunch of deluded fake christians.
Maybe there is people who fake it i don't know but.
I wonder who is more in the wrong before God, someone who speak disorderly with tongues, or the other that insults a gift and the christians at the same time.

I think if you are not very sure what you are talking about you should be more careful.

I really think cessationism poisons a lot, but a lot. And calls things God does with people these days things of 'psychics' and 'fake christians'.

From what i have experienced, not only i have seen what would of seem a prophetic gift in action, but discerment of spirits as well, there is ministers that can know what is hidden in your heart and what spiritual problems yuo have better than you.

 

[XAPLTOS]

Ready for the list?
These all state in their Statement Of Faith that you can lose your Salvation, and i'll just post a few.

Assemblys of God
Church of the Nazarene
Catholic Church (non Tongues, sure)
Church of Christ
United Pentecostal
many more.
Ive been on Forums since 2004, and ive never talked to a Pentecostal or Charismatic who didnt hate , HATE, the idea of "Eternal Security".
They'll probably show up here, on this Thread.

yes that has been my experience as well Pentecostals hate the fact that the Bible states we are eternally secure. There are plenty of people who speak in tongues and believe in eternal security.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Why people are so sure speaking of tongues is for false christians or something? i just don't get it, God does a lot of stuff even today, speaking in tongues is not even or should not be the best he does.

I was just making a general observation statement not necessarily related to speaking in tongues specifically...

I am not a cessationalist but I don't agree with the charismatics..(at all..)

 

[NBB]

I was just making a general observation statement not necessarily related to speaking in tongues specifically...

I am not a cessationalist but I don't agree with the charismatics..(at all..)

If being charismatic is believing you can be filled with the Holy spirit, and can see the gifts of God working, then there is nothing wrong with that for me.

 

[Behold]

The Catholic Church doesn't belong on a list of churches filled with or characterized by tongues-speakers, so that leaves you with less than 80 million Christians out of a world population of Christians that stands at more than 2 billion.

Personally, I think the question asked of us has to be answered in the negative.

Their are CC splinter groups that promote the gifts of the spirit, but the RCC does not.
And 80 million is just related to the few denominations that i listed.
So, if the total was related to ALL the churches that are affiliated with the "tongues" movement, then, that number would be wll beyond 80 million.

 

[Behold]

Did you mean losing one's salvation for not speaking in tongues or?

No, what i mean is.......all people who are related to the Pentecostal aspect of Christianity, seem to reject Eternal Security.

 

[Behold]

I only know of losing, or falling short of the reward of the righteous,

If you are born again, you can't miss heaven., as being born again is the only reason you Go.

 

[Tigger45]

Pentecostalism in America originates in Wesley Methodism. But they added tongues of a highly questionable source to it.

^^This^^

 

[Behold]

The question did not ask about "some other gift of the spirit."

There are 9, Paul says to pursue the Best, "tongues" is the least, yet, its the one that all Pentecostals worry about... And as i said, they all believe that you can lose your salvation.
I hope one will step in here and disagree, as then they can tell us what church they go to, and i can then do a research and discover if that particular church is autonomous and is not enlisted in this same theology.
One hopes that a game playing liar wont show up here just to be "funny" and say...>"ok i don't believe i can lose it, and i speak in tongues"....as there are a lot of pretenders on forums like this one.

 

[Behold]

Pentecostalism in America originates in Wesley Methodism. But they added tongues of a highly questionable source to it.

Methodist believe they can lose their salvation. They are connected to the Nazarene Church.
Thanks for reminding me.

 

[Behold]

An internet search of "Azusa Street Mission" Wm Seymour and tongues will give two views. One is something to stay completely away from if true.

The azusa street outpouring , with Aimee Semple McPherson, really began the entire campaign of "gifts are for today" and the idea that you are saved, but you are not yet "filled with the spirit"....That kinda started with her...She died @54 because her meds killed her kidneys.
Her church seated 16,500 every Sunday for years. Miracles seemingly did happen there.
Toward the end of her ministry she claimed she was kidnapped for 4 days, but could not prove it, and it could not be proven that she wasn't. She had a huge outreach that fed over a million people.
In her day, she was more known then Billy Graham. Her ministry continues to this day with many "4-Square" churches all over the world.. Typical of the Pentecostal movement, she was very theatrical. Her speaking voice was crisp with perfect diction, and slightly rough, and she proclaimed herself to be a Pastor.

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[Behold]

I've been a believer for over half a century, and this is the first time I've heard of this. "All" seems to be rather strong assertion.

Does every single pentecostal believe and teach that you can "Lose it"...... I dont think so..
But does the exception prove the rule? So, let that be the guideline regarding my Thread's POV.
Im still waiting for a Pentecostal to come here and deny my Thread, and im glad if they do, as ive been talking to many since 2004, and ive never met one yet that was currently involved with a Pentecostal church that did not hate the idea of Eternal Security.
Id love to meet one that isn't like this.....but, so far, ....... = ZERO.
Now i will tell you this......The WOF movement.....that Kenneth Copeland bunch, they are an exception, but they dont really claim to be "charismatic" and refer to them as "crazymatic".

 

[Hazelelponi]

I don't know how to say it without breaking forum rules, so I'll shut up.

 

[Behold]

I haven't personally noticed such a trend/connection between the two among Christians. I don't see what one has to do with the other either.

Its not a trend, its a fact.
Go to any Assembly of God Church in the world....or Church of Christ, Nazarene, ....any Pentecostal related Denomination, and they will tell you that you can "lose your salvation".
So, why are the "tongue talking" crowd so dead set against Eternal Security....is a curious thing..
Why is the Catholic Church the same?
The CC despises the theology of Eternal Security....which is a curious thing.

 

[NBB]

There's a lot of "demonic activity" associated with the charismatic movement which is rejected by many who do believe in the gifts.

Don't suppose theres much point saying any more... there's just a lot of unscriptural teachings associated with charismatics, so it's better not really discussing at all. People either see it or not I suppose.

I know there is weird stuff happening under 'charismatic' 'churches'. But there is sincere pentecostals/charismatics too who walk with God, i don't think pentecostals/charismatics agree with the weird stuff happening at all even if the one doing the weird things like to call themselves the same.

 

[Behold]

Is tongues a spiritual gift still available to some today?

If so it is the most misused.

M

Are the 9 Gifts still for today.
Well, you have lots of opinions on that.... As some say..>"when that which is perfect is come" then all the signs cease.
The gifts are found in Corinthians...and the verses explain that "tongues are for a SIGN"< and "signs are for the JEWS"....So, you can't escape that, no matter how you try to teach otherwise.
And then there is the confusion between a "personal prayer language, and the actual Spiritual Gift of "tongues" which is noted in Acts 2....Peter speaking and "each heard in their OWN LANGUAGE"

So, look at all that CONFUSION..

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Why do all believers who are connected with "tongues" believe that you can "lose your salvation".
This is very curious.

Tongues aside, "once saved always saved" is a theological view that states no matter what you do you will not loose your salvation. This is contrary to scripture. If one falls away from faith , they lost their salvation if they die in unbelief.
Be blessed and stay healthy.

 

[Behold]

I would guess it is because their belief on the acquisition of the Holy Spirit is a separate experience from salvation or Baptism. I don't know how it is exactly tied to that, but that's my best guess.

I appreciate your comment.

Lets look at "self righteousness"......what is that? Well, its THE fruit of PRIDE.
So, its this......"im making myself RIGHT with GOD"..... so, see that? It is also.."im ME, ME, im keeping myself right with God.."
That is "self, ...Righteousness"..... that is SELF replacing CHRIST.
But what is Salvation? Salvation is GOD making you right with Him, using the blood of Jesus.
So, those 2 Gospels, do not meet in truth.