Why discuss science?

[maybenotcrazy]

After all it is the truth and there is only one answer.
Really I'm asking myself about why I post here. I do think it is a poor way to spend lent. I'm going to give up on this whole forum for the rest of lent. How likely is that to succeed? Probably not at all. Anyway, this forum is fun. I'll give you that. I get bored with it then find a reason to post on it all in the same minute. And even when no one reads what I write about the propagation about light I can rest assured that I taught myself a thing or two. To be honest, I've never much thought about it. Biology is the thing ironically that I have the hardest time grasping, even though I majored in it I suck at it.
What is the secret to my feigned know it all ness? Not knowledge. Not smarts, but verbal facility. I'm only good at one thing and that is words. All else is irrelevant to me. Show me a diagram and I'll be as dumb as the diagram. Put me on my feet in a debate and I will fail. I'm dumber than all of you and you can prove it. Just ask me to solve a simple logic puzzle and I'll fail. I live on intuition and verbal fleshing of that intuition. So who really cares?

 

[Athrond]

After all it is the truth and there is only one answer.
Really I'm asking myself about why I post here. I do think it is a poor way to spend lent. I'm going to give up on this whole forum for the rest of lent. How likely is that to succeed? Probably not at all. Anyway, this forum is fun. I'll give you that. I get bored with it then find a reason to post on it all in the same minute. And even when no one reads what I write about the propagation about light I can rest assured that I taught myself a thing or two. To be honest, I've never much thought about it. Biology is the thing ironically that I have the hardest time grasping, even though I majored in it I suck at it.
What is the secret to my feigned know it all ness? Not knowledge. Not smarts, but verbal facility. I'm only good at one thing and that is words. All else is irrelevant to me. Show me a diagram and I'll be as dumb as the diagram. Put me on my feet in a debate and I will fail. I'm dumber than all of you and you can prove it. Just ask me to solve a simple logic puzzle and I'll fail. I live on intuition and verbal fleshing of that intuition. So who really cares?

Are you saying that you are a Sophist? Lol I'd like to see that evidence that you are dumber than all of us. I doubt it.

 

[maybenotcrazy]

Are you saying that you are a Sophist? Lol I'd like to see that evidence that you are dumber than all of us. I doubt it.

I'm not a sophist but a sophomore ok. that was dull.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

After all it is the truth and there is only one answer.
Really I'm asking myself about why I post here. I do think it is a poor way to spend lent. I'm going to give up on this whole forum for the rest of lent. How likely is that to succeed? Probably not at all. Anyway, this forum is fun. I'll give you that. I get bored with it then find a reason to post on it all in the same minute. And even when no one reads what I write about the propagation about light I can rest assured that I taught myself a thing or two.

I read your post . I particularly liked your rope analogy.

To be honest, I've never much thought about it. Biology is the thing ironically that I have the hardest time grasping, even though I majored in it I suck at it.
What is the secret to my feigned know it all ness? Not knowledge. Not smarts, but verbal facility. I'm only good at one thing and that is words. All else is irrelevant to me. Show me a diagram and I'll be as dumb as the diagram. Put me on my feet in a debate and I will fail. I'm dumber than all of you and you can prove it. Just ask me to solve a simple logic puzzle and I'll fail. I live on intuition and verbal fleshing of that intuition. So who really cares?

Well, if you're as dumb as you say you are (I doubt it, but nevermind), then use this forum as a place to learn. There are some very smart people here, and you'll find that intuition is rarely a good substitute for knowledge. Who knows, you could end up being our next Aron-Ra, or Chalnoth, or Naroia .

 

[Ectezus]

There are different kind of smarts. Logical reasoning is just one of them.
Personally I consider it one of the most important skills but that might just be my bias.

When you as a child have grown up with the idea of a god I think it automatically silences that nagging voice inside your head asking for logic answers. Further inquiry after all might lead you to a path that questions your faith and eternal damnation awaits. I really can't blame people that have been born in highly religious families for not understanding science one bit.

The believe in a god mixed with your own interpretations of the bible you can basically come up with any answer you like for every question about the universe and such. The infamous "God did it".
The easiest answer for everything. Why would anyone want to abandon such an awesome theory...

 

[maybenotcrazy]

Hi ectezus, its even worse when you've believed in logic then converted to christianity later in life I actually have followed the reverse path to the one you laid out. I don't always see people growing up in religious families remaining religious. It is far more complicated than any of us can describe, the dynamics of religious belief.

 

[DaisyDay]

So, it's not that you can't follow logic or reason, but that you prefer not to because it interferes with your belief?

 

[Ectezus]

Hi ectezus, its even worse when you've believed in logic then converted to christianity later in life I actually have followed the reverse path to the one you laid out. I don't always see people growing up in religious families remaining religious. It is far more complicated than any of us can describe, the dynamics of religious belief.

You have to understand that children below a certain age (I believe it was 6) naturally are programmed to accept things from authority figures, like parents. Simply because they can't question everything since they do not yet have a lot of knowledge at that age.
Like when your father warns you of something dangerous. If children would question everything and want to investigate it on their own a lot of them would die and young age.

With indoctrination you can make a child believe anything. For years I honestly believed Santa Claus would give everyone around the world gifts in just one night while riding a sled with flying reindeers... I'm sure most did.
Not once did I see the absolute lack of logic behind it on my own.

Of course parents aren't the only factor since we live in a large society and there are quite some other mechanics in play aswell, like peer pressure or having to deal with hard times looking for an answer that can not be explained by logic.

In my opinion at the root of it lies child indoctrination though. This would also account for the ridiculous fact that a believe in a particular god is distributed geographical. Think about it.

Dawkins made a point about it, what if scientists work in the same manner regarding the truth? Lets say the cause of extinction for the dinosaurs.
Whole Europe would think it was a comet.
America however firmly believes it was an asteroid.
Asia claims to know egg eating animals caused the downfall of dinosaurs.
Australia thinks it was a virus.

It makes no sense at *all*. Yet this is exactly whats going on in religion distribution.

There are no "muslim children". Only children brought up by muslim parents.

- Ectezus

 

[maybenotcrazy]

So, it's not that you can't follow logic or reason, but that you prefer not to because it interferes with your belief?

The two interact with each other. I can't follow logic or reason and when I try it contradicts my beliefs which are grounded in intuition or the faculty which I consider to be the origin of knowledge. Intuition interacts with the world around us through logic as a seed for lines of reasoning. Sometimes our reasoning leads us to obvious truths other times there are intuitions which are perpendicular to one another and give rise to paths of reasoning which seemingly contradict. This is analogous to two people walking in directions which are perpendicular to each other. Obviously they can't continue to hold hands so they either fall down or let go. I prefer to let go because falling down hurts though it does not justify stopping our walk. Maybe the problem with logic is that it is only considered 1 dimensional. There may be simultaneous logics in existence but only one can be followed at a time because our RATIONAL minds are 1 dimensional. Our intuitions however tap into a reality our logic could never dream of. They do not speak however, it is kind of like having answers to questions that are multi-positional simultaneously but only having the ability to behold 1 position at a time. If I recall. Feynman said that particles traverse all possible paths between two points (this means that at any endpoint you are considering all paths traverse that point. So a particle at any one time may have only one position but when it is not at an endpoint or point along its "observable path" it is everywhere at once. I think this doesn't make a case for what I'm saying but it shows that even in science there is room for simultaneous "paths" to one answer and by antiparallelism this means that from a single point of beginning there can be many paths that diverge for just one chain of reasoning. There can in my opinion be many chains of reasoning to that are simply perpendicular, that do not match in any way but are simultaneously true. If someone finds multidimensional logic they may find that that is actually what reality is based on not 1 chain of events or agglutination of events into one chain that leads to one conclusion when all things are taken into account. I think the distinction is based on eternity versus temporality as well as more that I can't delve into.

 

[Hespera]

The two interact with each other. I can't follow logic or reason and when I try it contradicts my beliefs which are grounded in intuition or the faculty which I consider to be the origin of knowledge. Intuition interacts with the world around us through logic as a seed for lines of reasoning. Sometimes our reasoning leads us to obvious truths other times there are intuitions which are perpendicular to one another and give rise to paths of reasoning which seemingly contradict. This is analogous to two people walking in directions which are perpendicular to each other. Obviously they can't continue to hold hands so they either fall down or let go. I prefer to let go because falling down hurts though it does not justify stopping our walk. Maybe the problem with logic is that it is only considered 1 dimensional. There may be simultaneous logics in existence but only one can be followed at a time because our RATIONAL minds are 1 dimensional. Our intuitions however tap into a reality our logic could never dream of. They do not speak however, it is kind of like having answers to questions that are multi-positional simultaneously but only having the ability to behold 1 position at a time. If I recall. Feynman said that particles traverse all possible paths between two points (this means that at any endpoint you are considering all paths traverse that point. So a particle at any one time may have only one position but when it is not at an endpoint or point along its "observable path" it is everywhere at once. I think this doesn't make a case for what I'm saying but it shows that even in science there is room for simultaneous "paths" to one answer and by antiparallelism this means that from a single point of beginning there can be many paths that diverge for just one chain of reasoning. There can in my opinion be many chains of reasoning to that are simply perpendicular, that do not match in any way but are simultaneously true. If someone finds multidimensional logic they may find that that is actually what reality is based on not 1 chain of events or agglutination of events into one chain that leads to one conclusion when all things are taken into account. I think the distinction is based on eternity versus temporality as well as more that I can't delve into.

Please please show that you are "good with words" by using paragraphs???

Break that solid block of text up a bit?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Please please show that you are "good with words" by using paragraphs???

Break that solid block of text up a bit?

You're one to talk: sentence fragments, improper use of punctuation, repetition, etc. Tut tut .

 

[Wiccan_Child]

The two interact with each other. I can't follow logic or reason and when I try it contradicts my beliefs which are grounded in intuition or the faculty which I consider to be the origin of knowledge.

Surely logic trumps intuition? After all, our intuition tells us that there's monsters in the dark .

Intuition may be the source of all knowledge, but logic is how we determine which intuitive notions are true and which are just steaming bull.

 

[atomweaver]

You have to understand that children below a certain age (I believe it was 6) naturally are programmed to accept things from authority figures, like parents. Simply because they can't question everything since they do not yet have a lot of knowledge at that age.
Like when your father warns you of something dangerous. If children would question everything and want to investigate it on their own a lot of them would die and young age.

With indoctrination you can make a child believe anything. For years I honestly believed Santa Claus would give everyone around the world gifts in just one night while riding a sled with flying reindeers... I'm sure most did.
Not once did I see the absolute lack of logic behind it on my own.

Of course parents aren't the only factor since we live in a large society and there are quite some other mechanics in play aswell, like peer pressure or having to deal with hard times looking for an answer that can not be explained by logic.

In my opinion at the root of it lies child indoctrination though. This would also account for the ridiculous fact that a believe in a particular god is distributed geographical. Think about it.

Dawkins made a point about it, what if scientists work in the same manner regarding the truth? Lets say the cause of extinction for the dinosaurs.
Whole Europe would think it was a comet.
America however firmly believes it was an asteroid.
Asia claims to know egg eating animals caused the downfall of dinosaurs.
Australia thinks it was a virus.

It makes no sense at *all*. Yet this is exactly whats going on in religion distribution.

There are no "muslim children". Only children brought up by muslim parents.

- Ectezus

This;

 

[maybenotcrazy]

Please please show that you are "good with words" by using paragraphs???

Break that solid block of text up a bit?

Hespera" I'm good with werds in themselves: not punctuation. nor grammar and spelhing for that mattir. I've gotten many bad grades in englersh

 

[Hespera]

Hespera" I'm good with werds in themselves: not punctuation. nor grammar and spelhing for that mattir. I've gotten many bad grades in englersh

Sorry if I am being a pain. It would be easier to read what you have to say if it were not all in one big block of text, that's all.

I used to get some terrible grades in English myself. Wiccan just gave me one a little while ago.

 

[ragarth]

Sorry if I am being a pain. It would be easier to read what you have to say if it were not all in one big block of text, that's all.

I used to get some terrible grades in English myself. Wiccan just gave me one a little while ago.

You're all gramar natzis. :-( *cries*

 

[Cabal]

 

[Bombila]

Ha! i love that first one, Cabal. The second is a red x, I'm afraid.

 

[maybenotcrazy]

Sorry if I am being a pain. It would be easier to read what you have to say if it were not all in one big block of text, that's all.

I used to get some terrible grades in English myself. Wiccan just gave me one a little while ago.

I really don't care about my english skills. Sorry to be so difficult to read. Maybe I do it just so you can't read it like a secret code or something.
Actually I feel like I needed a verbal lashing for sitting there and idolizing myself. Thanks!

 

[Cabal]

Ha! i love that first one, Cabal. The second is a red x, I'm afraid.

You missed nothing - that was me mistakenly posting the link to the comic page, not the actual image URL. Deleted it now.

But yes. Funny stuff