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Why did Yahshua Come?

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(CLV) Lk 5:32
I have not come to call the just, but sinners, to repentance.

Notice that he doesn't say that he came to save the sinners; so that they could continue to ignore YHWH's word.

Shabbat shalom!
 
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Matthew 22:37-39
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

have not come to call the just, but sinners, to repentance.

Indeed!

i know that Jesus wants us to obey God's law and learn to love God, ourselves and our neighbour, true, like He does, for only true love is from Him everything else is fake.

Like Paul teaches only life in The Spirit of Christ can save us not doing the works of the law.

Galatians 3:1-5
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? \ Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
 
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Matthew 22:37-39
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matthew 5:19-20--Matthew 7:28-29 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [that] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

<snip>Galatians 3:1-5
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? \ Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, [doeth he it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?KJV

Galatians 2:7-9

John 14:15-17 If ye love Me, keep My Commandments and I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever: the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
 
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(CLV) Lk 5:32
I have not come to call the just, but sinners, to repentance.

Notice that he doesn't say that he came to save the sinners; so that they could continue to ignore YHWH's word.

Shabbat shalom!
Good post.

Matthew 9:10-13 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with Him and His Disciples. 13 But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

John 6:37 All that the Father giveth Me shall come to Me; and him that cometh to Me I will in no wise cast out.

Matthew 21:31 Whether of them twain did the will of [his] father? They say unto Him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the Kingdom of God before you.
 
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(CLV) Lk 5:32
I have not come to call the just, but sinners, to repentance.

Notice that he doesn't say that he came to save the sinners; so that they could continue to ignore YHWH's word.

Shabbat shalom!
Hmm...
I wonder what's the goal of the post
 
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Matthew 22:37-39
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”



Indeed!

i know that Jesus wants us to obey God's law and learn to love God, ourselves and our neighbour, true, like He does, for only true love is from Him everything else is fake.

Like Paul teaches only life in The Spirit of Christ can save us not doing the works of the law.

Galatians 3:1-5
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? \ Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

Indeed.

If we remain in the spirit; we will fulfill the law.


(CLV) Ro 8:3

For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,


(CLV) Ro 8:4

that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.
 
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(CLV) Lk 5:32
I have not come to call the just, but sinners, to repentance.
Notice that he doesn't say that he came to save the sinners; so that they could continue to ignore YHWH's word. Shabbat shalom!

YHWH's word says that any writings are of no particular importance.
 
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(CLV) Lk 5:32
I have not come to call the just, but sinners, to repentance.

Notice that he doesn't say that he came to save the sinners; so that they could continue to ignore YHWH's word.

Shabbat shalom!
Why don't you quote all of God's word. Lord Jesus said that He came that we might have Life. That is God's only judgement: are you alive or dead?

What are you trying to achieve? Heap condemnation on people? That's Satan's job, not yours. Do you assume that every Christian is looking for excuses to live a sinful lifestyle? If so, you are wrong. If not, then why keep harping on about it?
 
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I'm not familiar with that verse. Can you post it?

It's in my Sig file.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

Psalm 19:1-14
The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy.

Romans 1:20
For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Amos 5:8
He who made the Pleiades and Orion, and turns deep darkness into the morning and darkens the day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the surface of the earth, the Lord is his name;

Isaiah 40:26
Lift up your eyes on high and see: who created these? He who brings out their host by number, calling them all by name, by the greatness of his might, and because he is strong in power not one is missing.

Psalm 8:3
When I look at your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,

Psalm 8:1
O Lord, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth! You have set your glory above the heavens.

Job 38:31-32
“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades or loose the cords of Orion? Can you lead forth the Mazzaroth in their season, or can you guide the Bear with its children?

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Romans 10:18
But I ask, have they not heard? Indeed they have, for “Their voice has gone out to all the earth, and their words to the ends of the world.”

Jeremiah 31:35
Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the Lord of hosts is his name:

Isaiah 40:5
And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.”

Jeremiah 31:31-34
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Hebrews 8:10
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Hebrews 10:16
“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,”

2 Corinthians 3:3
And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Psalm 40:8
I delight to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart.”
 
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Why don't you quote all of God's word.

Do you have a Bible? If not, I can direct you to one online.

Lord Jesus said that He came that we might have Life.

(CLV) Pr 6:23
For instruction is a lamp, and law is a light, And the reproofs of admonition are the way to life

That is God's only judgement:

Not so.

are you alive or dead?

Guess.

What are you trying to achieve?

See post #7.

Heap condemnation on people?

See post #7.

That's Satan's job, not yours.

Are you suggesting that I'm doing Satan's job, by posting the words of Yahshua?

Do you assume that every Christian is looking for excuses to live a sinful lifestyle?

No. Do you suppose that every Christian is seeking to obey YHWH in the footsteps of Yahshua?

If so, you are wrong.

Glad we got this misconception about me straightened out.

If not, then why keep harping on about it?

Harping? The words of Yahshua don't upset me.
 
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Why did Yahshua Come?

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The reason?


Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
 
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Why did Yahshua Come?

Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh,
God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

The reason?


Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

FIRST! :)

(CLV) Ro 8:3

For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,


(CLV) Ro 8:4

that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.
 
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I don't see it there. If you can't post the verse; I understand.



This verse contradicts your assertion. I personally find great importance in the words in red.
I posted all of them that cover the lack of need for the Bible for salvation.
 
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This verse contradicts your assertion. I personally find great importance in the words in red.

I include this one saying that God's law is not in ink or carved on stone.

Psalm 40:8
I delight to do your will, O my God; your law is within my heart.”
 
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Does this mean you agree, without any need for rebuttal?
I posted it first. Rebuttal? I don't believe that Paul is contradicting the TaNaK. Paul taught almost exclusively from the TaNaK. I don't believe that Paul is contradicting Yahshua; as Yahshua was YHWH's word in the flesh.

Do you believe that Paul is refuting the words of Yahshua?

Do you feel the need to rebut this teaching of Paul?
 
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