Why did God make Different Aged Rocks

[Cabal]

In this dispensation, yes; but not in the first dispensation, which started out with even time not existing.

Ah, is this the latest invented workaround for the obvious problem of history in everything that's had age embedded into it?

 

[Tomatoman]

Spacewyrm.

Originally Posted by AV1611VET

If they had a history, they would be omphalos.

• omphalos = maturity with history
• embedded age = maturity without history

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Actually, this is not true. Omphalos is also maturity without history.

AV would do well to learn this.

AV:

[The lack of] time is what falsifies the idea that Adam had a past.

It is also what falsifies the idea that the earth had a history.

Adam can't be denied a past and expect to have an adult mind. The human brain doesn't work like that. He either had the one day old mind of a baby or he had a lifetime of memories and experience. It's one or the other. You can't get round it.

It's amazing that AV actually thinks embedded age might be true. If he even does that is. I don't really think any of his beliefs are very real to him, if they were he would examine them more critically. It's all a game to him. Rather like his counting threads. His religion seems to be more of a comfort blanket that he should have grown out of but never has. Therefore arguing with him about it in the hope of changing his mind is pointless. He wants his comfort blanket and that's that.

 

[BananaSlug]

Spacewyrm.
AV would do well to learn this.

AV:
Adam can't be denied a past and expect to have an adult mind. The human brain doesn't work like that. He either had the one day old mind of a baby or he had a lifetime of memories and experience. It's one or the other. You can't get round it.

It's amazing that AV actually thinks embedded age might be true. If he even does that is. I don't really think any of his beliefs are very real to him, if they were he would examine them more critically. It's all a game to him. Rather like his counting threads. His religion seems to be more of a comfort blanket that he should have grown out of but never has. Therefore arguing with him about it in the hope of changing his mind is pointless. He wants his comfort blanket and that's that.

God could have programmed Adam to be able to walk and talk, but that gets into Adam having a lack of free will because he couldn't choose what he knew.

 

[sandwiches]

God could have programmed Adam to be able to walk and talk, but that gets into Adam having a lack of free will because he couldn't choose what he knew.

Well, talking and walking require specific knowledge and even anatomy. So, his anatomy had to be that of a human who could walk and talk. So, just the mere fact that his body was that of a 30-something-year-old, indicates a history.

 

[driewerf]

Embedded age is 'maturity without history' -- it's that simple.

Can God create a stale loaf of bread tomorrow?

Look, boy. I'll be straight and clear.
Your embedded age is rubish.
It' just a lamentable ad hoc hypothesis wich only reason of existence is to try to save an erronous reading of the bible. And ad hoc hypotesises are very often a sign of sloppy thinking.

Your bible is wrong about nearly everthing is says that we can check. That's not surprising: it was written by bronze age people from the Middle East. Not surprisingly it contains nothing that doesn't belong to their world view: no mentionning of any country outside the Middle east, no mentionning of any plant or animal outside the Middle East.

Your embedded age "theory" is just made up for saving your bible, though it fails abyssimally. There is no way to verify your claims, so there is no single reason to spend more time on it. You have had your opportunity, you failed.

Now, good bye sir.

 

[AV1611VET]

So, just the mere fact that his body was that of a 30-something-year-old, indicates a history.

There can be no history without the passage of time -- and no time passed.

Adam came on the scene at the speed of God's will.

 

[AV1611VET]

Now, good bye sir.

Thank you -- God be with ye as well --

 

[sandwiches]

There can be no history without the passage of time -- and no time passed.

Adam came on the scene at the speed of God's will.

There doesn't need to be passage of time when God is involved. When God created Adam as a 30-something-year-old, by that act, he imbued Adam with at least apparent history.

 

[pgp_protector]

Look, boy. I'll be straight and clear.
Your embedded age is rubish.
It' just a lamentable ad hoc hypothesis wich only reason of existence is to try to save an erronous reading of the bible. And ad hoc hypotesises are very often a sign of sloppy thinking.

Your bible is wrong about nearly everthing is says that we can check. That's not surprising: it was written by bronze age people from the Middle East. Not surprisingly it contains nothing that doesn't belong to their world view: no mentionning of any country outside the Middle east, no mentionning of any plant or animal outside the Middle East.

Your embedded age "theory" is just made up for saving your bible, though it fails abyssimally. There is no way to verify your claims, so there is no single reason to spend more time on it. You have had your opportunity, you failed.

Now, good bye sir.

How do you rep a post twice

 

[AV1611VET]

How do you rep a post twice

By having him repeat what he said.

(By the way -- did you catch the hypergrowth in his post?)

 

[Tomatoman]

[FONT=&quot]sandwiches:

There doesn't need to be passage of time when God is involved. When God created Adam as a 30-something-year-old, by that act, he imbued Adam with at least apparent history.

And this is where AV runs into an insoluble problem. If adam is given a history that never happened, what is adam actually remembering? It doesn't make sense. And as Bananaslug pointed out, if adam is completely made by god, with his mind and everything in his mind made by god, where does that leave freewill? You have to live and learn and grow and experience by yourself in order to become you, and make the sort of decisions that you would make. There isn't any other way of doing it. AV just ignores this.

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[Tomatoman]

pgp_protector:

Originally Posted by driewerf

Look, boy. I'll be straight and clear.
Your embedded age is rubish.
It' just a lamentable ad hoc hypothesis wich only reason of existence is to try to save an erronous reading of the bible. And ad hoc hypotesises are very often a sign of sloppy thinking.

Your bible is wrong about nearly everthing is says that we can check. That's not surprising: it was written by bronze age people from the Middle East. Not surprisingly it contains nothing that doesn't belong to their world view: no mentionning of any country outside the Middle east, no mentionning of any plant or animal outside the Middle East.

Your embedded age "theory" is just made up for saving your bible, though it fails abyssimally. There is no way to verify your claims, so there is no single reason to spend more time on it. You have had your opportunity, you failed.

Now, good bye sir.
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How do you rep a post twice

driewerf has said what many of us have been thinking.

 

[Hespera]

Look, boy. I'll be straight and clear.
Your embedded age is rubish.
It' just a lamentable ad hoc hypothesis wich only reason of existence is to try to save an erronous reading of the bible. And ad hoc hypotesises are very often a sign of sloppy thinking.

Your bible is wrong about nearly everthing is says that we can check. That's not surprising: it was written by bronze age people from the Middle East. Not surprisingly it contains nothing that doesn't belong to their world view: no mentionning of any country outside the Middle east, no mentionning of any plant or animal outside the Middle East.

Your embedded age "theory" is just made up for saving your bible, though it fails abyssimally. There is no way to verify your claims, so there is no single reason to spend more time on it. You have had your opportunity, you failed.

Now, good bye sir.

Agree with the above.

If I may add a thought, it is that I dont myself have much use for the middle east; their cultures, politics, food, religion, any of it.

i dont get it why anyone outside of the middle east would decide to adopt their culture as if it were their own, buy into it and then defend it as if it were their own. its not about them. Its not their history, not their culture, not their story.

Not anymore than Ward Churchill was really an Indian. (that ex-professor from colorado who made himself famous for his 'little eichmann" remarks after 911, and who was subsequently fired for falsifying research and plagiarism)

 

[Spacewyrm]

God could have programmed Adam to be able to walk and talk, but that gets into Adam having a lack of free will because he couldn't choose what he knew.

I don't think there's really much of a problem with Adam lacking the ability to choose what he knows in this case. Free will only really means something after you come into existence and are able to make choices. Nobody chooses the way in which they come into this world.

 

[Doveaman]

No, God could do it but if he did he would be deceiving. Age implies the passage of time. The passage of time is history.

I think embedded age mixed with embedded time eliminates the need for history.

But that's just my opinion.

 

[Doveaman]

God would be deceptive, or the bread -- interpreted in line with how bread should arrive (i.e. fresh) -- would be deceptive?

I'm very impressed by this question.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'm very impressed by this question.

Thank you, bro!

Too bad they can't impress us with the answer, eh?

 

[Cabal]

Thank you, bro!

Too bad they can't impress us with the answer, eh?

It was already answered, by Bananaslug.

God would be the deceiver.

Not sure why you're wanting to attribute deception to the objects with age embedded in them now - perhaps you should just abandon this idea of embedding age in order to stop tying yourself in knots.

 

[Split Rock]

Thank you, bro!

Too bad they can't impress us with the answer, eh?

Really, AVET... the only answer that will impress you is.... (drum roll)... GODDIDIT!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BananaSlug]

Thank you, bro!

Too bad they can't impress us with the answer, eh?

I already gave you an answer.