Why did God make Different Aged Rocks

[AV1611VET]

If you answer ANYTHING other than 'nothing,' you're admitting that the person had at least an apparent history.

Embedded age is 'maturity without history' -- it's that simple.

Can God create a stale loaf of bread tomorrow?

 

[sandwiches]

Embedded age is 'maturity without history' -- it's that simple.

Can God create a stale loaf of bread tomorrow?

Then the loaf would show obvious signs of history which can indicate age. It's that simple. No biggie.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then the loaf would show obvious signs of history which can indicate age. It's that simple. No biggie.

I take it, that's a 'yes'?

 

[Tinker Grey]

Assuming an omnipotent god, yes.

However, unless we witnessed it we would be justified in believing it to be 5-day-old bread and not 5-minute-old bread -- and the existence of that bread would imply history. Indeed the bread would have imbedded history as well as imbedded staleness.

 

[Tomatoman]

He can't create a human being with embedded history. Adam either had the mind of a 1 day old baby or he had a past and history that he could remember, but was embedded. If his past was embedded what was he actually remembering? It's a ludicrous proposition. In fact, the whole embedded idea is ludicrous. Anybody who genuinely thinks embedded age is a realistic proposition for what happened needs treatment.

 

[sandwiches]

I take it, that's a 'yes'?

I take it you now accept that maturity without history is meaningless, then?

 

[Doveaman]

Then the loaf would show obvious signs of history which can indicate age. It's that simple. No biggie.
I take it you now accept that maturity without history is meaningless, then?

How about a new, mature loaf of bread made from very old ingredients? Wouldn't that new, mature loaf of bread have age embedded within it (ingredients) but still have no history since the bread itself is new? Would maturity without history make sense in this case?

 

[sandwiches]

How about a new, mature loaf of bread made from very old ingredients? Wouldn't that new, mature loaf of bread have age embedded within it (ingredients) but still have no history since the bread itself is new? Would maturity without history make sense in this case?

Not really. A loaf of bread made from old ingredients wouldn't come out of the oven stale. Even if the a loaf of bread was created out of nothing and we could somehow determine that the ingredients it was made of were old, if the bread is stale, that would be a history. Not to mention the apparent history of mixing flour, yeast, salt, etc, letting the dough rise, and baking it. Even if the created bread didn't go through those processes, it would have the appearance of having done so.

 

[BananaSlug]

Embedded age is 'maturity without history' -- it's that simple.

Can God create a stale loaf of bread tomorrow?

Yes, but the staleness would imply the passage of time, aka, history.

A stale loaf of bread implies history just like a 30 year old man that can walk and talk. The only reason you can read and write any of these inherently meaningless scribbles is because you were taught throughout your life what all of these words mean.

Unless God had to teach Adam how to walk and talk, should we assume he was created with these abilities? How would you know how to speak if you were never taught how?

 

[Doveaman]

A loaf of bread made from old ingredients wouldn't come out of the oven stale.

Embedded age implies the presence of embedded time.

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed the bread would have imbedded history as well as imbedded staleness.

I disagree.

 

[AV1611VET]

Anybody who genuinely thinks embedded age is a realistic proposition for what happened needs treatment.

You write a paragraph on how He couldn't create Adam & Eve omphalos, then you sum it up by knocking embedded age?

Which is it? omphalos or embedded age?

 

[AV1611VET]

How about a new, mature loaf of bread made from very old ingredients? Wouldn't that new, mature loaf of bread have age embedded within it (ingredients) but still have no history since the bread itself is new? Would maturity without history make sense in this case?

Yup.

 

[AV1611VET]

Even if the created bread didn't go through those processes, it would have the appearance of having done so.

So would a fresh loaf of bread as well.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, but the staleness would imply the passage of time, aka, history.

It might imply it, but to say it was so is saying incorrectly.

This is why I'm trying to get a simple YES or NO out of you guys.

I don't know if you guys are saying, "No, it's impossible and here's why..."; or if you're saying, "Yes, but..."

 

[BananaSlug]

It might imply it, but to say it was so is saying incorrectly.

This is why I'm trying to get a simple YES or NO out of you guys.

I don't know if you guys are saying, "No, it's impossible and here's why..."; or if you're saying, "Yes, but..."

Yes God could create a loaf of stale bread. Why he would want to create something that is old but not old, that would be deception. The parallel you are trying to draw is that God could created a stale loaf of bread just like he could create an old earth. The staleness of the bread implies that time has passed to make the bread stale. Staleness is history. You cannot have age without history.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes God could create a loaf of stale bread. Why he would want to create something that is old but not old, that would be deception. The parallel you are trying to draw is that God could created a stale loaf of bread just like he could create an old earth. The staleness of the bread implies that time has passed to make the bread stale. Staleness is history. You cannot have age without history.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here?

 

[BananaSlug]

Aren't you contradicting yourself here?

No, God could do it but if he did he would be deceiving. Age implies the passage of time. The passage of time is history.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, God could do it but if he did he would be deceiving.

God would be deceptive, or the bread -- interpreted in line with how bread should arrive (i.e. fresh) -- would be deceptive?

 

[pgp_protector]

It might imply it, but to say it was so is saying incorrectly.

This is why I'm trying to get a simple YES or NO out of you guys.

I don't know if you guys are saying, "No, it's impossible and here's why..."; or if you're saying, "Yes, but..."

God could only Deceive people if he was a Deceiver.
Is your god a deceiver (Yes or no)