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Firscherscherling

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<H1>Land plants may be much older than thought



BALTIMORE (AP) --Scientists have found the best evidence yet that plants appeared on land about 475 million years ago, 50 million years earlier than fossils had established before.

While spores dating back about 475 million years had already been found, it had not been proven whether they came from land or aquatic plants. In the new study, the spores were found with the spore sac that produced them, indicating they came from a land-based plant, said study author Charles Wellman of the University of Sheffield in England.

The oldest fossils of land plants themselves are about 425 million years old and the age discrepancy between the oldest spores and the oldest fossils has puzzled scientists, Wellman said.

"Now, we've actually got the spores in the plants," said Wellman, whose paper appears in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

"I've found the spores lots of times, but I've never found the actual plants that produce the spores."

The spores are similar to those from a moss-like plant known as a liverwort, which can still be found today.

The spores and plant matter were discovered by sieving through core samples drilled in the search for oil, in this case a 4,950-foot (1,485-meter)-deep core drilled in northern Oman.

Wellman's group dissolved the rock in a type of acid that does not destroy organic matter, and then strained the acid to find the spores and plant fragments.

Plants are believed to have made their way onto land before animals, whose earliest fossils date back about 430 million years, Wellman said.

Paul Kenrick, an early plant researcher at London's Natural History Museum, said in an accompanying commentary that the latest findings won't completely silence skeptics.

The research, however, tilts the scales in favor of those who say the 475 million-year-old spores came from land-based plants.

Others have said the oldest land-based plants may be as much as 700 million years old, based on a genetic analysis of when the genomes of land and aquatic plants diverged, Kenrick said.

The latest work helps narrow the age estimates, and shows scientists what size the earliest plants were -- tiny.

"If you were walking about on Earth back then, to see anything at all you would have been on your hands and knees with hand lens," Kenrick said.

"Sort of like Sherlock Holmes, looking through a magnifying glass at all of these things. Life was on a completely different scale."
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Why make 475-million-year-old-looking fossils of plants and bury them in the ground 5,000 feet under Oman?

A test? A trick?
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Firscherscherling said:
Why make 475-million-year-old-looking fossils of plants and bury them in the ground 5,000 feet under Oman?

A test? A trick?
I've heard from some Christians that they believe Satan has planted those fossils to make us believe in evilution and go against a creationist theory.

More rational christians argue about dating techniques
 
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Grizzly said:
I've heard from some Christians that they believe Satan has planted those fossils to make us believe in evilution and go against a creationist theory.

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well if one thing doesnt work then they can always try another ;)
 
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Firscherscherling said:
<H1>Land plants may be much older than thought



BALTIMORE (AP) --Scientists have found the best evidence yet that plants appeared on land about 475 million years ago, 50 million years earlier than fossils had established before.

While spores dating back about 475 million years had already been found, it had not been proven whether they came from land or aquatic plants. In the new study, the spores were found with the spore sac that produced them, indicating they came from a land-based plant, said study author Charles Wellman of the University of Sheffield in England.

The oldest fossils of land plants themselves are about 425 million years old and the age discrepancy between the oldest spores and the oldest fossils has puzzled scientists, Wellman said.

"Now, we've actually got the spores in the plants," said Wellman, whose paper appears in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

"I've found the spores lots of times, but I've never found the actual plants that produce the spores."

The spores are similar to those from a moss-like plant known as a liverwort, which can still be found today.

The spores and plant matter were discovered by sieving through core samples drilled in the search for oil, in this case a 4,950-foot (1,485-meter)-deep core drilled in northern Oman.

Wellman's group dissolved the rock in a type of acid that does not destroy organic matter, and then strained the acid to find the spores and plant fragments.

Plants are believed to have made their way onto land before animals, whose earliest fossils date back about 430 million years, Wellman said.

Paul Kenrick, an early plant researcher at London's Natural History Museum, said in an accompanying commentary that the latest findings won't completely silence skeptics.

The research, however, tilts the scales in favor of those who say the 475 million-year-old spores came from land-based plants.

Others have said the oldest land-based plants may be as much as 700 million years old, based on a genetic analysis of when the genomes of land and aquatic plants diverged, Kenrick said.

The latest work helps narrow the age estimates, and shows scientists what size the earliest plants were -- tiny.

"If you were walking about on Earth back then, to see anything at all you would have been on your hands and knees with hand lens," Kenrick said.

"Sort of like Sherlock Holmes, looking through a magnifying glass at all of these things. Life was on a completely different scale."
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Why make 475-million-year-old-looking fossils of plants and bury them in the ground 5,000 feet under Oman?

A test? A trick?
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I think the question is a little off the mark. As far as I see it, there have been many changes in the landscape and plant life since God created it, (about 4.5 billion years ago).
 
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you cannot prove anything let alone the existance of god or the creation theory, you cannot prove that the fossils are milions of years old or were made yesterday.

how do you even know that you wernt born yesterday and were given false memories, how do you know that you are human and have a body, how do you know anything at all, let alone whether some thing that might be old is or not.


nothing can ever be proved so therefore it is pointless arguing, any argument that you give is only a possibility and can never be proved wrong or right.
 
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icedj said:
nothing can ever be proved so therefore it is pointless arguing, any argument that you give is only a possibility and can never be proved wrong or right.
will you stop continually pointing out this logical gulf between the real world and the abstract construct within our minds? Yes we know it all exists, but remember everything we do is based on axioms such as:

1) I exist.
2) The universe is objective and understandable.
 
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keep in mind guys that although every christian is a creationist, not every christian believes in a young earth.

many [such as myself] believe in the gap theory. in genesis 1:1, it says that God created the heavens and the earth. then, in gen 1:2, it says that the earth is now dark and void. it would appear that a catasthophic event occured, detroying the first earth, which the rest of genesis pertains to the resotoration of the earth. hence, the planet if billions of years old, but was restored in 6000 years.
 
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Late_Cretaceous said:
If Adam was created fully mature, was he created with scars, sun damaged skin, traumatic childhood memories or slightly asymetrical muscles from being right handed?
God created Adam in a perfect body. A body that had a "bright nature". It wasn't until Adam was cursed to an animal body (the homo sapien) that he experienced any difficulties. God even said the flesh was brutish in the book of Adam and Eve.
 
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icedj said:
how do you even know that you wernt born yesterday and were given false memories, how do you know that you are human and have a body, how do you know anything at all, let alone whether some thing that might be old is or not..
There are some things that we have to assume in order to have a conversatoin. Otherwise we may as well pack it up and go home.

nothing can ever be proved so therefore it is pointless arguing, any argument that you give is only a possibility and can never be proved wrong or right.
Yes, I agree, it would be pointless if we did not assume a few basic things. Reality is a basic assumption. We assume that the world is real, and not an illusion. Although the Bible does say that God does send a strong delusion to those who reject the truth

2 Thes. 2:11-12
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, [12] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Eve did say that the serpent deceived her:

Genesis 3:13
And the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

Paul does warn us not to be deceived.

Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
 
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icedj said:
you cannot prove anything let alone the existance of god or the creation theory, you cannot prove that the fossils are milions of years old or were made yesterday.

how do you even know that you wernt born yesterday and were given false memories, how do you know that you are human and have a body, how do you know anything at all, let alone whether some thing that might be old is or not.


nothing can ever be proved so therefore it is pointless arguing, any argument that you give is only a possibility and can never be proved wrong or right.
Bull byproduct. I know for a fact that if you come over to my room on the second story, and walk out the window you will fall. I can make an educated guess that you will hurt a lot afterwords. You can in fact know things. You do for instance, obviously know how to type, and I can prove it by the fact that you are posting.
 
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JohnR7 said:
There are some things that we have to assume in order to have a conversatoin. Otherwise we may as well pack it up and go home.


Yes, I agree, it would be pointless if we did not assume a few basic things. Reality is a basic assumption. We assume that the world is real, and not an illusion. Although the Bible does say that God does send a strong delusion to those who reject the truth

2 Thes. 2:11-12
And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, [12] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Eve did say that the serpent deceived her:

Genesis 3:13
And the Lord God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

Paul does warn us not to be deceived.

Galatians 6:7
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.
So, not only is God not willing to show himself to me in a real, uncontradictory and obvious way, he is actually filling my mind with delusions to be sure that I will be condemned to hell? He makes sure I don't believe in him as punishment for me not believing in him so he can send me to eternal torment? Whhy is God sending me these delusions? Why would God want to ry and trick me into not beleive in in him, even going as far as to make me delusional? Does this not imply that we can't know who is delusional and who isn't?
 
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The Gap theroy is also what i believe. In Genesis 1:28 "God blessed them and told them, "Multiply and REPLENISH the earth"..." Replenish as in to Plenish again. I also think that there were Half "Evolved" apes at one point, but they died out because of Cain and Abel. Genesis 4:13-14 "Cain replied to the Lord, "My punishment is too great for me to bear! You have banished me from my land and from your presence; you have made me a wandering fugitive. All who see me will try to kill me." I believe that then men who would kill him, are not human because at this time its only Cain, Adam, and Eve. I think that the to-be-murderers are the half "evolved" men.
 
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Michali said:
God created Adam in a perfect body. A body that had a "bright nature". It wasn't until Adam was cursed to an animal body (the homo sapien) that he experienced any difficulties. God even said the flesh was brutish in the book of Adam and Eve.
Of course "He" said that, since it fit well within the theology of the scribes who wrote it in the 7th or 4th century B.C.
 
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Firscherscherling said:
So, not only is God not willing to show himself to me in a real, uncontradictory and obvious way, he is actually filling my mind with delusions to be sure that I will be condemned to hell? He makes sure I don't believe in him as punishment for me not believing in him so he can send me to eternal torment? Whhy is God sending me these delusions? Why would God want to ry and trick me into not beleive in in him, even going as far as to make me delusional? Does this not imply that we can't know who is delusional and who isn't?
In 2Th 2:11 (NIV) it starts out stating "for this reason" and in the NIV Study Bible in the study section for that verse it states "Because of their deliberate rejection of the truth (v. 10). God sends them a powerful delusion. God uses sin to punish the sinful (cf. Ro 1:24-28). the lie. Not just any lie, but the great lie that the man of lawlessness is God.(v. 4)."
Please check the cross referance verses and other verses mentined for clarification of this passage. Sometimes taking verses out of their context is confusing. I pray that this might help you.
 
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