What do you suppose, given that God is perfect and lacking nothing, what gives God "pleasure"?
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As someone mentioned above, this is why God created all things,
Revelation 4:11 "Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure, they are and were created."
What do you suppose, given that God is perfect and lacking nothing, what gives God "pleasure"?
Seeing a lost soul come to Christ.
Colossians 1:19........
“For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,”.
How do you understand this teaching:
Rom 13:11
I guess you are trying to say something......but I have no clue what it is.
But how does that add something to the already perfect God? Is His pre-salvation event inadequate for His state of pleasure? I'm asking you to find more than "pleasure" for God. What does divine "pleasure" mean to you?Seeing a lost soul come to Christ.
Colossians 1:19........
“For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him,”.
@fide , I don't know what you're trying to say to Major1 either. My best guess is that you want to say salvation is a process instead of one moment of conversion, but I'm just guessing, based on how Catholics and Evangelicals tend to see things.
Are you willing to say plainly and straightforwardly what point you're trying to make with Romans 13:11?
But how does that add something to the already perfect God? Is His pre-salvation event inadequate for His state of pleasure? I'm asking you to find more than "pleasure" for God. What does divine "pleasure" mean to you?
@fide , I don't know what you're trying to say to Major1 either. My best guess is that you want to say salvation is a process instead of one moment of conversion, but I'm just guessing, based on how Catholics and Evangelicals tend to see things.
Are you willing to say plainly and straightforwardly what point you're trying to make with Romans 13:11?
Can you tell me what you mean, when you say "salvation is a process"? As an Anglican, maybe you mean what I would mean by the phrase, but these days it is hard to take anything for granted.
Again .....3rd time. WHAT are you wanting me to hear?
WHAT is your point?
Is there a Bible Scripture that you would like to have explained to you?
Why are you being so, shall I say.....deceptive?
To believe in inherited sin or sinfulness or the inherited consequences for sin in any way then you must accept that before the lost soul can come to Christ it must first be created outside of Christ, lost and condemned...which to me contradicts HIS pleasure.
Major1, did your question ("Is there a Bible Scripture that you would like to have explained to you?") flow easily, quickly from your mouth, without obstruction of hesitation? Are you quite confident that you can "explain" any verse offered to you from anyone you meet?
Several passages of Holy Scripture come to me, in pondering your offer to "explain" to me. I'm not asking you for your explanation - relax. I'm only offering them as precious truths to listen to:
1) Isa 66:2 All these things my hand has made, and so all these things are mine, says the LORD. But this is the man to whom I will look, he that is humble and contrite in spirit, and trembles at my word.
2) Jn 9:39 Jesus said, "For judgment I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and that those who see may become blind."
Jn 9:40 Some of the Pharisees near him heard this, and they said to him, "Are we also blind?"
Jn 9:41 Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no guilt; but now that you say, 'We see,' your guilt remains.
3) Lk 7:44 Then turning toward the woman he said to Simon, "Do you see this woman? I entered your house, you gave me no water for my feet, but she has wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair.
Lk 7:45 You gave me no kiss, but from the time I came in she has not ceased to kiss my feet.
Lk 7:46 You did not anoint my head with oil, but she has anointed my feet with ointment.
Lk 7:47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little."
Lk 7:48 And he said to her, "Your sins are forgiven."
Lk 7:49 Then those who were at table with him began to say among themselves, "Who is this, who even forgives sins?"
Lk 7:50 And he said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace."
I don't understand why being perfect would exclude God from having pleasure in events that happened in this world.But how does that add something to the already perfect God? Is His pre-salvation event inadequate for His state of pleasure? I'm asking you to find more than "pleasure" for God. What does divine "pleasure" mean to you?
I accept the Scriptures.
According to those Scriptures, All people have inherited a sin nature from the first humans, specifically from Adam.
Romans 5:12........
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned."
What do you suppose, given that God is perfect and lacking nothing, what gives God "pleasure"?
Can you tell me what you mean, when you say "salvation is a process"? As an Anglican, maybe you mean what I would mean by the phrase, but these days it is hard to take anything for granted.
The Christian life is (or should be) one in which we gradually, over time, become more Christ-like, more fully in that divine image that we were created to embody. I have heard Catholics use the word "salvation" to refer to this whole process. Evangelical Protestants are more likely to use the word "salvation" to refer to the initial step of committing one's self to Christ, and then use the separate word "sanctification" to refer to the lifelong process of becoming more Christ-like. Sometimes Evangelical Protestants downplay the process of sanctification and over-emphasize the initial commitment, and I think this is an error on their part, though it comes out of a desire to emphasize God's grace as a free gift.
So I was guessing that this lifelong process was what you were trying to hint at in your posts to Major1. Did I guess correctly? If not, could you explain the point your were trying to make?
One instance is ultimately having people that he will want to spend an eternity with.
The Catholic Faith understands salvation to mean the final state of the human vocation into God - one's maker and redeemer - a state that can be lost during our struggle against the trials and temptations we meet in this fallen world. The beginning of this journey is Baptism, in which one receives sanctifying grace with the theological and moral virtues and gifts of the Holy Spirit, and forgiveness of original sin and any and all personal sins. This beginning is called justification, or sometimes for clarity "initial" justification. So 1) justification in Baptism, in which one is made to be in Christ; 2) normatively then a life in Him of growing in holiness and detachment from all evil, finally, hopefully, 3) a holy death in the state of grace, final salvation and beatitude.
that His happiness comes in sharing the infinite goodness of eternal and divine Love with another - with one whom He created for such a beautiful destiny.
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