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Why did God create this Earth?

Discussion in 'Exploring Christianity' started by ForsakenGirl, Sep 3, 2017.

  1. CrystalDragon

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    I feel like you're one of the few people who gets it.
     
  2. Fílos-tou-Iisou

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    "But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” (Romans 9:20)

    The entire universe belongs to the LORD GOD of the Holy Bible, Who created it. He can do whatever He pleases to it and all that live on it, and is accountable and answerable to NO ONE!
     
  3. Fílos-tou-Iisou

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    The God of the Holy Bible is PERFECT, and ALL His Judgements and Deeds 100% Right.
     
  4. ForsakenGirl

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    Eve and Adam were banished from Heaven as a result of acting on their free will ; disobeying God.
    That leads me to assume that God doesn't like free will. and if you try to live according to your own free will, you will be banished from Heaven.
     
  5. ForsakenGirl

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    Eve and Adam were though
     
  6. ForsakenGirl

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    you stole the words out of my mouth :D
     
  7. ForsakenGirl

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    The Devil was cast out because He believed in free will. He dared to form an opinion and he was told to leave His home.
    Eve and Adam were cast out because they acted on their free will and disobeyed God by eating from the Tree of Knowledge.
    It clearly tells me that Heaven is not a place suited for Free will.
     
  8. Fílos-tou-Iisou

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    And what "god" do you have in mind?
     
  9. skepticlogician

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    Like I said, the perfect example, the epitome of megalomania and narcissism.
     
  10. Serving Zion

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    Oh, I see that I have mis-read your original statement! :wave:

    .. so now I see that what you are saying is much clearer for me, whereas I would have said that Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden of Eden ("Paradise Earth"), yet you have used the word "Heaven" instead. Now that I understand what you are saying I can respond more helpfully! (Though, I will use the term "heaven" differently, because heaven is here with us this day (Philippians 3:20, Acts 7:55-56, Matthew 3:2)).

    So what I see, is that you are making this whole issue one about free will, as though free will is a problem for a perfect world and that a world cannot be perfect if there is free will. But, I do not believe that is necessarily true. I think that it is often and usually possible to make a good decision, and that often there will be a number of good possible options. It is only sin that has a destructive consequence on the world, and not every choice we make is necessarily sin.

    For instance, if I was choosing an ice cream, I could choose from a number of different flavours, and there is nothing bad about making that decision. So we can see, that in a society where everybody is making good decisions, there can still be free will.

    The problem was made possible because of free will though, and it was because of the disobedience of Adam and Eve. St. James tells us "Whoever knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin". But we know that God does not make life so difficult for us that every time we get dressed, we must wear the exact right clothes else it is sin. Yet, sometimes it is possible to wear clothes that we know He does not want us to wear - and then it is sin if we do that.

    Also, the story of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil contains a lot of wisdom in allegory. What we know a tree to be, is something that grows, and in the case of a fruit tree, it produces a thing that we can eat of, for sustenance and pleasure. So we can consider that they had a growing knowledge of good and evil, but they had been warned to not use that knowledge of good and evil for their sustenance or pleasure. Now if we look around the world today, we can see that people routinely use the knowledge of good and evil for sustenance and pleasure (eg: "sex sells" (Matthew 5:28), "Quantity Discounts" (Proverbs 20:10), "Price Leadership to Crush Competitors" (Proverbs 3:27, Proverbs 3:29)). According to the allegorical message of the fall, there was a time when God looked upon earth and saw that it was "very good", and it pleased Him. But now we live in an age when He looks upon earth and He sees that the inclination of man's heart is always evil (though fortunately for our sake, that He is merciful: He has redeemed some to repentance, to be vessels of His Holy Spirit).

    So Adam and Eve brought hell upon earth (Genesis 2:17, John 3:3, Revelation 2:7) because they were told to not use the knowledge of good and evil for their food (sustenance/pleasure etc). If they had always chosen to do good only, they'd have sustained paradise conditions.

    I would like to know which scripture you have used to support this view.
     
  11. Fílos-tou-Iisou

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    You speak of things you know absolutely nothing about. You speak of a Personal Being, Almighty God, Whom you do not know, in a personal way. Therefore anything you might say is pointless, as you speak with ignorance!
     
  12. ForsakenGirl

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    Abrahamic God
     
  13. Fílos-tou-Iisou

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    Sure, but do you believe in the God that is One Being, and Three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, coequal, coessential, and coeternal? This is the True God of the Holy Bible. There is NO other "god".

    We are all created with a "free will", to either chose or reject the God of the Holy Bible and His plan for the salvation of lost humans. We are all sinners before a Just and Holy God, and all deserving of eternal punishment in hell. But God, Who is rich in mercy and love, has provided salvation in Himself for any sinner who will acknowledge their sins and that they deserve hell, truly repent of their sins for their heart, and accept Jesus Christ as their personal Saviour and Lord, and that He and He alone can forgive and cleanse us from our sins, and apart from Jesus Christ there is NO Hope. Then the sinner is "born-gain" and saved by the merit of the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross. We are then obliged to live our remaining days here on earth, in strict accordance to the Holy Bible's Teachings, and obeying the commandments of Almighty God, as we no longer belong to ourselves, but to the Lord Jesus Christ.
     
  14. ForsakenGirl

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    If Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil, how could they have chosen to obey or disobey if they had no knowledge to knowingly and willfully choose to disobey? Before the fall Adam and Eve only could live in accordance to God's will. But after the fall it become possible to choose to disobey and not worship on our own accord

    The Devil did not want to worship like many humans these days so he was kicked out of Heaven.
    He started to question the equality between God and himself. He questioned God's authority.

    Isaiah 14:12-14
    12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

    13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

    14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High
     
  15. ForsakenGirl

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    im searching for the truth. i do believe that there is more than this that we have; material world , humanity etc.. but these days i'm not sure if i even want God to be real..
    As for the Christian God, The trinity, The holy spirit.. i dont believe these things.. i cant believe anything blindly..
     
  16. Fílos-tou-Iisou

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    OK, then I suggest that if you are seriously seeking to know the Truth, that you ask Jesus Christ to reveal to you the True God, and I can guarantee you that He will. There is only ONE God, and that is the God of the Holy Bible. But only those who seek to know Him sincerely, will be known to by Him. Only God the Holy Spirit can grant us a real understanding about the nature of God. There is no other "god" in the entire world.
     
  17. ForsakenGirl

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    I have prayed a thousand times and yet God has not shown Himself. I don't know if it would be better that He is not real or that He is ignoring me.
     
  18. Fílos-tou-Iisou

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    I suggest you take a look at this website, The Best News EVER
     
  19. Fílos-tou-Iisou

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    The God of the Bible promises you:

    "You will seek Me and find Me, when you seek Me with all your heart" (Old Testament, Book of Jeremiah, Chapter 29, verse 13)

    God does NOT lie or mislead people, or play tricks with peoples lives. IF you are really sincere, He WILL answer you!
     
  20. ForsakenGirl

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    I think i should just starting believing in the Bible.. Truly, that seems to be the only way to end my suffering. I used to be very religious as a child you know. I prayed every day and then...
    i don't know what to do. But i will find a way.
    Thanks for trying to help.
     
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