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the natural conditions are only defined to a point on the tree of life. that's not much of a argument against design a Creator.
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the natural conditions are only defined to a point on the tree of life. that's not much of a argument against design a Creator.I'm not against the idea of a creator. In fact, if it turned out life on Earth had been created, it would be one of the most astounding things in the history of humanity ever.
The problem is there is currently no evidence that supports that idea. Conversely, the evidence we do have points to life sharing common ancestry and having likely arisen on this planet under natural conditions.
the natural conditions are only defined to a point on the tree of life. that's not much of a argument against design a Creator.
And your not even remotely qualified to make a assessment about creationism, wow looking here God did it is a sarcastic statement
So, you have an anonymous bloke who can single handedly refute ToE, and we have over 150 years of rock solid, Mt. Everest sized, reproducible evidence from literally every field of biology...I gave up trying to convince evolutionists that there is evidence that creationism and the theory of evolution has flaws a long time ago. These days I tend to say it is a matter of faith rather than science. there are people with greater knowledge than me that believe both sides. And if God is all powerful and all knowing He could easily have crated life through what people call evolution. Its a bit like when an artist paints a picture. They dont put all the paint on the canvas in one go. They start somewhere and add pther parts and colours until they build up the whole picture. The picture evolves as its being painted.
Instead I tend to say to people, try praying and ask God to reveal Himself to you, maybe say if you're there I would like to know you. If He answers you have your answer, if He doesnt what have you lost?
I will just add that I have met a doctor a few times who is a geneticist who in his humble way pf putting says he has spoken to international conferences on genetics where only the top 100 geneticists in the field ahve been invited to attend. He says he can prove evolution doesnt work from a scientific point of view. I did say I'd love for him to explain to me but he just laughed and said I wouldnt understand. For the sake of your post, this is just hearsay thoough so I dont expect you to take is as evidence.
I am not a Christian, if that's what you are asking. I find the core fundamentals of Christian theology to be illogical.
And no, I don't think that evolutionary theory is a destructive force for spiritual growth. Many Christians have managed to reconcile belief in Christianity with acceptance of findings of science as a means to understand God's creation. Look up the works of Dr. Francis Collins, for example.
Pita. We part ways here. I thought I was engaging in a honest debate. But you seem pretty locked in on your beliefs right now. It’s ok. I struggle with aspects of scripture as well
our goal is Jesus Christ not creation. The argument is fine if your willing to say that without attending a church and offering your life to Christ for say 6 months. And if Christ does what you expect. Nothing. Then no loss. But if Christ does what I’m praying for. You’ll believe
Oh good grief.I understand. But what possibly can you get from a faith believing Christian that isn’t in the form of something tangible.
When Jesus saves a Christian. He doesn’t know right away why he believes what he believes because there spirit is contrary to the flesh.
This is not apologetic it is matter of fact. You want to have a phrase and formula and a tangible picture to accept what we as Christians accept and that isn’t a gift we have to give. We only offer the door to whatever he has for you. Which being as smart as you are I imagine god would brilliantly use you to expose the fact that albeit evolution is attractive. The whole movement is spiritually driven. So how do we argue that without calling it apologetics
our goal is Jesus Christ not creation. The argument is fine if your willing to say that without attending a church and offering your life to Christ for say 6 months. And if Christ does what you expect. Nothing. Then no loss. But if Christ does what I’m praying for. You’ll believe
Which being as smart as you are I imagine god would brilliantly use you to expose the fact that albeit evolution is attractive. The whole movement is spiritually driven. So how do we argue that without calling it apologetics
Y'know, it seems to me that you're not really arguing against Pitabread here, you're arguing against Naturalism. Pitabread isn't defending Naturalism, he's defending the Theory of Evolution. If you're okay with the Theory of Evolution (a version with a creator making the first forms of life and guiding the evolutionary process), then there isn't really a conflict.
Eyes barn ignit; eyes die ignit.All the smart creationists become TE in time.
Except how it came to be is vastly different. the vast majority of evolutionist do not believe a universe could be design created, not sure exactly what the theory is by chance or luck or whatever that point is no where near being solved and I don’t think it will looking at nature in that way a thoughtless process without any coordination
So again, what are you looking for?The 1% would be people like Todd Wood, that seem to understand biological evolution, but are also honest that they are rejecting it for solely for the reason of satisfying their religious convictions.
Also of note is that Todd Wood has called out other creationists out for misrepresenting the science of evolution: The truth about evolution. Which imho, speaks volumes about the problems creationists have when discussing the subject.
THEN would you be convinced?I'd put Todd Wood in that 1%. Though I do wonder if he will eventually become a TE.
I used to be a creationist for many years. I could literally create a new account on CF, and have you convinced within ten posts that I’m a ID/creo.
And yes, any hypothesis that begins with the ‘goddidit’ claim, then looks for and accepts only what conforms to its conclusions is the exact opposite of science. It’s why no university or research anywhere and in the world uses ID/creo as a model.
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