Why "common design" is wrong.

[lasthero]

It wasn't. You still had segregation, women were openly discriminated against in the workplace, couples of mixed race were openly attacked, etc. You are absolutely wrong. It was much worse when you were a kid.

Everytime someone I know starts talking of the 'good ol' days', I'm reminded of this guy - cant' remember his name off the top of my head - who was lynched in front of a mob for looking at a white girl the wrong way. I think it's quite telling that, more often than not, the people I see moaning about how better things used to be are white.

I am very glad to be living in this time. Just sixty years ago, my life as a black man would be much less pleasant. The current time isn't perfect, but quality of life is much improved. You can go back to the days when we used to die of polio if you want, I'm fine right here.

 

[Loudmouth]

Everytime someone I know starts talking of the 'good ol' days', . . .

They always leave off the " . . . for land owning, rich white men." One of their "signs of a failing society" is that people other than rich white men are afforded the same respect they are.

 

[Dizredux]

Everytime someone I know starts talking of the 'good ol' days', I'm reminded of this guy - cant' remember his name off the top of my head - who was lynched in front of a mob for looking at a white girl the wrong way.

I am very glad to be living in this time. Just sixty years ago, my life as a black man would be much less pleasant. The current time isn't perfect, but quality of life is much improved. You can go back to the days when we used to die of polio if you want, I'm fine right here.

I am in my 70's and I can tell you right now that life is better now at least in the U.S. Perhaps middle class whites had it better but even then I don't think so. Medical care for example is drastically better. The KKK no longer rides, the poll tax is gone (at least for now), the kids in school are not having nuclear attack drills, gays are not fair game and we have air conditioning . (I well remember the walls mildewing in the summer and waking up soaking wet with sweat-I love air conditioning)

I can remember the 40's and if you were not a straight white male, things were not all that good.

Right now, with all the pitfalls, problems and difficulties, I feel that these are the "good ol' days".

Dizredux

 

[lost999]

I am in my 70's and I can tell you right now that life is better now at least in the U.S. Dizredux

I'd totally disagree with you here, buddy.

Globalization has destoyed this country. The economy is still in shambles, and the core values that have kept America strong, mainly the family, are continually eroding away. Gays are a complete non-factor, being only a small fraction of the population (I don't know why this is on everyone's mind? It's irrelevant) Discrimination and racism are alive as ever, as an aggregate. I'd say politically things arnt good either, but that's just my humble opinion.

 

[lasthero]

Gays are a complete non-factor

My brother's gay, so it's a big factor to me. Many American's know or care about someone that's gay, and I'm sure they appreciate not having to worry so much about that person getting killed just for being who they are. Speaking for myself, I've very glad I don't have to worry too much about my gay black brother being ostracized.

Discrimination and racism are alive as ever,

No one is saying they're not, but they're definitely much improvement compared to just fifty or so years ago. Again, I'll gladly take this over the time when I would likely be lynched for eyeballing white women. Quality of life is better now that it has been in the past.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Everytime someone I know starts talking of the 'good ol' days', I'm reminded of this guy - cant' remember his name off the top of my head - who was lynched in front of a mob for looking at a white girl the wrong way. I think it's quite telling that, more often than not, the people I see moaning about how better things used to be are white.

I am very glad to be living in this time. Just sixty years ago, my life as a black man would be much less pleasant. The current time isn't perfect, but quality of life is much improved. You can go back to the days when we used to die of polio if you want, I'm fine right here.

Very good points all. When I see people of different races (I am white) filling so many incredibly important roles in society and providing such important aspects to our culture I am so thankful that those days are past (past for the most part). I am saddened when groups of people of different races try to stir up discord between the races to give rise to hatred again.

 

[bhsmte]

I'd totally disagree with you here, buddy.

Globalization has destoyed this country. The economy is still in shambles, and the core values that have kept America strong, mainly the family, are continually eroding away. Gays are a complete non-factor, being only a small fraction of the population (I don't know why this is on everyone's mind? It's irrelevant) Discrimination and racism are alive as ever, as an aggregate. I'd say politically things arnt good either, but that's just my humble opinion.

Life is not as simple as it once was, but overall; crime is down, education has improved and racism has declined.

The nation is more competitive though, which is what I mean by things not being as simple as they once were.

 

[Dizredux]

I'd totally disagree with you here, buddy.

Globalization has destoyed this country. The economy is still in shambles, and the core values that have kept America strong, mainly the family, are continually eroding away.

Gays are a complete non-factor, being only a small fraction of the population

When I was young, it was considered fair game to beat and rob Gays.

(I don't know why this is on everyone's mind?

Don't read newspapers much do you?

It's irrelevant)

Not if you are Gay.

Discrimination and racism are alive as ever, as an aggregate.

You have got to be kidding! When was the last lynching or skinning you heard of? Gee, Blacks and Hispanics can actually apply for and get what used to be White people's jobs. Blacks can even drink out of the same fountain as White people and sit downstairs at the movies. Hispanics are no longer used for target practice. Nope, no changes at all.

I was there, I am aware of some of what went on and it was much worse in many ways than the present.

I'd say politically things arnt good either, but that's just my humble opinion.

I might agree here as it seems we no longer have a functioning congress. What Washington needs is adult supervision.

Dizredux

 

[Split Rock]

That's true. It funny that you used that word "designed". Evolutionists find it easy to propose that a theory can be intelligently designed but not life itself! You are right, there is no comfort in your theory, no promise, no hope; no celebration, no holiday, it doesn't even bring joy. But hey, I guess y'all are inspired by it.

You say, "that's true," but you either don't understand the point I was making or are pretending to not understand the point I was making. The theory of evolution isn't supposed to provide comfort. It is a theory explaining what we see in the real world. I am not particularly "inspired' by it, though I am impressed by how well it has worked over time. You continue to compare oranges and apples. If you want inspiration, feel free to go to your bible. if you want to understand nature, you are much better off with science.

Their science fit into their beliefs, it do not contradict them. If at any point a theory came along that suggested there was no need for God, they would dismiss it.
As I stated, F. Bacon was motivated to construct the scientific method to understand how God did things and to glorify Him even more.

There shouldn't anything we find out in nature that contradicts your religious beliefs... if it does, there is a problem with your beliefs, not with the science.
Nature----> science
Inspiration, theology ---> religion

I would say 55% of scientists believe in God. It depends on the field. 95% of biologists hold to the theory of evolution. Corruption grows throughout history, good spreads as well. In 1900. there were 500 million Christians in the world, now we have 2.3 billion and growing. So good and evil is spreading, the two will soon reach their apex and part ways.

Science is not evil, nor is it corrupt, just because your beliefs include what they shouldn't.

 

[Ronald]

You say, "that's true," but you either don't understand the point I was making or are pretending to not understand the point I was making.

I got it, said it was true and then moved on.

The theory of evolution isn't supposed to provide comfort. It is a theory explaining what we see in the real world. I am not particularly "inspired' by it, though I am impressed by how well it has worked over time. You continue to compare oranges and apples.

lol
It's ironic you accuse me of comparing apples and oranges, yet you'll say a bird came from a lizard and ultimately that man evolved from a one-celled animal in the sea.

There shouldn't anything we find out in nature that contradicts your religious beliefs... if it does, there is a problem with your beliefs, not with the science.
Nature----> science
Inspiration, theology ---> religion

Really! Einstein said it another way, "Science without religion is lame but religion without science is blind."

Science is not evil, nor is it corrupt, just because your beliefs include what they shouldn't

Never said such a thing. You guys continuously distort my words. I said atheism is evil and therefore Evolution without God is evil. And then of course theistic evolution is a distortion of Biblical theology.

 

[Loudmouth]

lol
It's ironic you accuse me of comparing apples and oranges, yet you'll say a bird came from a lizard and ultimately that man evolved from a one-celled animal in the sea.

Dinosaurs aren't lizards, and birds are still dinosaurs.

Coelurosauria

Really! Einstein said it another way, something like, Science without religion is foolish but religion without science is ridiculous.

And what did Einstein consider religion to be?

I said atheism is evil and therefore Evolution without God is evil.

What about gravity without God, or germ theory without God? Why do you pick one theory out of thousands that God has to be a part of?

And then of course theistic evolution is a distortion of Biblical theology.

Creationism is a distortion of reality.

 

[PsychoSarah]

In your field, doesn't the genetic code suggest and point to two common descendants of all humans or that we all came from one female? I thought I heard that recently?

Yes, and there is a Y chromosome Adam as well. Fun fact, they didn't live at the same time

 

[Split Rock]

lol
It's ironic you accuse me of comparing apples and oranges, yet you'll say a bird came from a lizard and ultimately that man evolved from a one-celled animal in the sea.

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Non sequitur.

Do you or do you not understand that the theory of evolution is a scientific theory that explains the diversity and distribution of life on earth, and is not meant to comfort anyone?

Yes or no, please.

 

[Split Rock]

Never said such a thing. You guys continuously distort my words. I said atheism is evil and therefore Evolution without God is evil. And then of course theistic evolution is a distortion of Biblical theology.

Creationism is a distortion of biblical theology, because it is based on a literal interpretation of what was intended as allegory.

 

[PsychoSarah]

lol
It's ironic you accuse me of comparing apples and oranges, yet you'll say a bird came from a lizard and ultimately that man evolved from a one-celled animal in the sea.


Really! Einstein said it another way, "Science without religion is lame but religion without science is blind."

Never said such a thing. You guys continuously distort my words. I said atheism is evil and therefore Evolution without God is evil. And then of course theistic evolution is a distortion of Biblical theology.

and you would say that god blew life into dirt, and made light before the sun.

Einstein is not some universal source of absolute philosophy. It is perfectly acceptable to disagree with him. He wasn't the smartest man ever to have existed, and even if he was, that wouldn't obligate us to assume he was right or agree with him. But overall, this quote is far from really supporting religion, it is more neutral on the matter than anything else.

Atheism isn't evil; YHWH states all people are evil, and belief is required to be forgiven for it. This doesn't mean the lack of belief itself is a sinful or evil quality.

 

[EternalDragon]

Creationism is a distortion of biblical theology, because it is based on a literal interpretation of what was intended as allegory.

Not according to the way in which the original Hebrew was written and not according to the OT prophets or Jesus Christ who is also the author.

It is only allegory to those that want to dismiss it as such.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Not according to the way in which the original Hebrew was written and not according to the OT prophets or Jesus Christ who is also the author.

It is only allegory to those that want to dismiss it as such.

The OT is so punny it hurts

 

[SkyWriting]

IF every species was designed at the same time as creationists claim, those genes would differ similarly....

The words "Common" and "design" have no connection to time frames, especially when put together. It's a description of "who" not when.

 

[Ronald]

PsychoSarah;66449960]
and you would say that god blew life into dirt, and made light before the sun.

Miracles do happen.

Atheism isn't evil; YHWH states all people are evil, and belief is required to be forgiven for it. This doesn't mean the lack of belief itself is a sinful or evil quality

Sin is the rebelliousness against God and that would include a rejection of God, a denial that He exists.
Yes, all are born in sin, which is why we need a SAVIOR!

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly see, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they new God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened." Romans 1:18-21

Being godless means you don't believe in God. Not only does he say this thinking is futile in Psalm 14:1 he says "The fool says in his heart, there is no God ..."

 

[Davian]

Miracles do happen.



Sin is the rebelliousness against God and that would include a rejection of God, a denial that He exists.
Yes, all are born in sin, which is why we need a SAVIOR!

"The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world, God's invisible qualities, his eternal power and divine nature have been clearly see, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. For although they new God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened." Romans 1:18-21

Being godless means you don't believe in God. Not only does he say this thinking is futile in Psalm 14:1 he says "The fool says in his heart, there is no God ..."

There is a God. It is a character in a book. Seeing that we are in a science sub-forum, your preaching does fall flat here. I'd ask if you had anything else, but I think we have been there already.