Why Christian not allowed eat to pig?

[ricker]

Colossians 2
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath

That's clear enough for me!

 

[Nik0s]

The Church has taught for 2,000 years what is written down in the Gospel, we are free from the restrictions of the Mosaic law. To suggest otherwise goes against the Gospel and 2,000 years of Church Tradition.

 

[ghendricks63]

People always tend to miss the point and draw their own conclusions based on what their hearts desire is. The exchange between Jesus and the pharisees was started when they accused his disciples of eating Bread (food) with unwashed hands, making it unclean (according to what they believed). It was not about which meat is clean and which is not.

Out of the clean foods already eaten the pharisees believed, that if you eat any of them without washing your hands it will defile you. They are not including foods already deemed unclean in this conversation. That is out of the question. Understand that what makes the food clean or unclean in this case according to the pharisees, is whether your hands were washed or not, and not whether they bible says it is unclean or not. Jesus' answer must be taken in this context. It matters not if your hands were not washed because the man's heart is what defiles him.

I want you to tell Eve that she could eat any fruit of the garden even though God said not to. Do you really think there was something in the fruit? The whole issue is with obedience really. If God says don't eat and you do then you have a problem.

Let me just ask you this. Could man be defiled by food before Jesus came? If no then what was the point of Jesus telling them not to eat those things. If yes then what change did Jesus make to the pig (for instance) which suddenly made it clean?

It really does not matter to me what God's motive was in OT for forbidding certain foods. The fact is there is mountains of new testament scripture indicating that these prohibitions no longer apply.

I will not dishonor my Lord's sacrifice on the cross by picking up the burden of the law. He paid too much for me to embrace that which He freed us from.

 

[INTJ-F]

The Church has taught for 2,000 years what is written down in the Gospel, we are free from the restrictions of the Mosaic law. To suggest otherwise goes against the Gospel and 2,000 years of Church Tradition.

It goes against the church TRADITIONS OF MAN but it does not go against the gospel (which was written years after Messiah Yeshua walked the earth)

If Yeshua taught against Torah, He would have been considered a false messiah and they would have used that against Him when they crucified Him. They found Him blameless and the only accusation they had against Him was that He claimed that He was the Son of God. If He had taught against Torah, they would have brought it up during His trial.

 

[MamaZ]

Jesus fulfilled the law and nailed it to the cross. He took away what seperates the Jews from the Gentiles and made us one not in the law but in Him through His blood and bound by His Spirit.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Jesus fulfilled the law and nailed it to the cross. He took away what seperates the Jews from the Gentiles and made us one not in the law but in Him through His blood and bound by His Spirit.

The law is what separated them?

 

[Nik0s]

It goes against the church TRADITIONS OF MAN but it does not go against the gospel (which was written years after Messiah Yeshua walked the earth)

No, Church Tradition (Big T) includes the Gospels! (and the writings of the Church fathers etc...) What you have failed to realize is that without the Church, there would be no Gospel. Who do you think compiled the Gospel? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the Sanhedrin.

If Yeshua taught against Torah, He would have been considered a false messiah and they would have used that against Him when they crucified Him. They found Him blameless and the only accusation they had against Him was that He claimed that He was the Son of God. If He had taught against Torah, they would have brought it up during His trial.

In the eyes of the Jews he was not blameless. The unbelieving Jews accused him of blasphemy AND teaching against the Law when he revealed himself as God ("I AM") and performed miracles and "worked" on the Sabbath. The Romans would not crucify Jesus for being a blasphemer so the Jews gave the false charge that Jesus was claiming to be an earthly king.

 

[MamaZ]

The law is what separated them?

yup because it was Gods covenant with Isreal.

 

[INTJ-F]

There is no place where Messiah Yeshua said He nailed the law to the cross otherwise He would never would have stated that he will REJECT those who do not obey God (IE: obey what God said in Torah) Even those who claim to be doing good things for Messiah Yeshua will be rejected by Him if they refuse to obey God.

Matthew7

21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS

 

[Nik0s]

How do you reconcile Colossians 2:14 with your stance? Also, according to the Old law Jesus himself "practiced lawlessness" when he taught and healed on the Sabbath. This is the error many make when interpreting Scripture themselves instead of through the Church.

 

[ghendricks63]

There is no place where Messiah Yeshua said He nailed the law to the cross otherwise He would never would have stated that he will REJECT those who do not obey God (IE: obey what God said in Torah)

Fortunately we don't need you to explain what Jesus meant ("IE: obey what God said in the Torah") because Jesus explained it Himself very plainly in Matthew 25 and it had nothing to do with obeying the torah as you keep falsely promoting.

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Jesus was literally talking about the embodiment of the law of love, which has completely replaced your torah for the believer.

 

[visionary]

How do you reconcile Colossians 2:14 with your stance? Also, according to the Old law Jesus himself "practiced lawlessness" when he taught and healed on the Sabbath. This is the error many make when interpreting Scripture themselves instead of through the Church.

He didn't practice lawlessnes, just did not the extreme traditions interpretations.. Remember He was without sin, or He could not be our Messiah.

 

[Nik0s]

He didn't practice lawlessnes, just did not the extreme traditions interpretations.. Remember He was without sin, or He could not be our Messiah.

Jesus taught and healed on the Sabbath. Is that not forbidden by the Mosaic law?
"Remember He was without sin, or He could not be our Messiah."
Exactly. This proves that keeping the Mosaic law is not required by Christians. It seems to me you are grasping at straws here.

 

[visionary]

Jesus taught and healed on the Sabbath. Is that not forbidden by the Mosaic law?
"Remember He was without sin, or He could not be our Messiah."
Exactly. This proves that keeping the Mosaic law is not required by Christians. It seems to me you are grasping at straws here.

Do have the OT verse that states it is against the shabbat laws.. ??

 

[INTJ-F]

Originally Posted by Nik0s

Jesus taught and healed on the Sabbath. Is that not forbidden by the Mosaic law?
"Remember He was without sin, or He could not be our Messiah."
Exactly. This proves that keeping the Mosaic law is not required by Christians. It seems to me you are grasping at straws here.
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If He broke the "Mosaic Law" (which he was the Author of) then He would have not been the unblemished lamb that was sacrificed for the sins of the world. It would have proven Him to be a false messiah.

Yeshua said, in His own words, that He will reject those who claim to be doing works for Him if they refuse to obey God. The only way anyone knew how to obey God when He said that is by obeying Torah.

Matthew 7
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS

Who is the one "grasping at straws"???

 

[MamaZ]

so if you eat pork then Jesus will say depart from me?

 

[visionary]

Eating things that are not classified as "food " by God.... like pig ... are in a different catagory than the ten commandments...... and remember the Lord winks at what you have not learned from Him.. so when convictions come and are not followed through.. then it moves into God's catagory of rebellion against Him.. and if the behavior is continued in spite of what the Lord has revealed in more than two or three witnesses [ holy spirit, scripture, and personal event to answer your prayer on this issue] then the Lord will take it up a notch...

All things are judged by God, and your relationship with Him.. do you hear His voice, and are you following Him?

What we are convicted of is between us and the Lord... and we reveal this conviction here... but the bottom line is.. you will have your own personal experience with God on this issue, ...when you do .. obey Him.. trust Him,........and love Him for it.

 

[INTJ-F]

so if you eat pork then Jesus will say depart from me?

Yeshua said He will reject those who disobey God even though they claim to be following Him. If you think this means eating swine is acceptable when God makes it clear it is an abomination, then that is between you and God.

1. God says eating swine is an abomination.
2. Yeshua said He will reject those who disobey God even though they feel they are His.

It would be very scary trying to justify something to Yeshua that God said to not do.

Ask Yeshua what He meant and be prepared to follow His truth and not your feelings or what your denomination / pastor / priest teaches.

 

[Nik0s]

If He broke the "Mosaic Law" (which he was the Author of) then He would have not been the unblemished lamb that was sacrificed for the sins of the world. It would have proven Him to be a false messiah.

Yeshua said, in His own words, that He will reject those who claim to be doing works for Him if they refuse to obey God. The only way anyone knew how to obey God when He said that is by obeying Torah.

Matthew 7
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS

Who is the one "grasping at straws"???

Why is it that you STILL can't reconcile Jesus' and The Gospel's own words regarding food with the strict observation of the Mosaic law? You keep quoting that same verse of scripture as if it applied to the observation of the Mosaic law. It doesn't at all. Jesus was talking about false prophets and false teaching in Matthew 7. Heresies like Judaizing for instance. Once again, can you please explain what Colossians 2:14 is referring to?

-Nikos

 

[INTJ-F]

Once again, can you please explain what Colossians 2:14 is referring to?

The PENALTY for our sin. Yeshua was the final sin sacrifice. It says that's what it is in the verse is you read what it says instead of what your church says it says.

(having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness) == (Our sins were atoned for)

(he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross) == (if we accept Him as Messiah - implying obedience - our sins are atoned for by the cross [Yeshua's shed blood])