Why Christian not allowed eat to pig?

[sdmsanjose]

INTJ-F
You did not answer my question in my last post whicj is reprinted below.
My question is not a trick question I just want to be sure what your position is.

Quote of INTJ-F
I obey God and what He says. He clearly says eating swine and shellfish is an abomination. He included keeping Shabbat in the Ten Commandments. If you choose to intentionally disobey His will and what He says, you will suffer the consequences for your actions.

sdmsanjose reply
According to your interpretation what are the consequences?
Do we lose our salvation?

 

[visionary]

I think you may be confusing Judaism and Christianity. It's probably most compassionate to be vegetarian but there is no law regarding what to eat or not in my understanding of Christianity. I think Paul made that clear. The "Old Testament" law is for the psychic or carnal man not the pneumatic who is free in Christ.

So that is how you see it enhanced.. not just lust can be seen in the law of adultery... but in your view.. nothing can be seen in Christ who came to fulfill [show it more fully]..

 

[visionary]

INTJ-F
You did not answer my question in my last post whicj is reprinted below.
My question is not a trick question I just want to be sure what your position is.

if they say... keep the least..

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

So that is how you see it enhanced.. not just lust can be seen in the law of adultery... but in your view.. nothing can be seen in Christ who came to fulfill [show it more fully].

The OT law has passed away for the Elect or the Spiritual/ Pneumatics . The spiritual are judge by no one.

"But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one."
1 Cor 2:15

We have died to the OT law:

"So, my dear brothers and sisters, this is the point: You died to the power of the law when you died with Christ. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, we can produce a harvest of good deeds for God."
-Romans 7:4

We have been "released" from the law:

"But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code"- .Romans 7:6

We are "not under the law":

Romans 6:14 For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace.Galatians 2:19 For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God.

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.


There are a few verses in some of the Gospels and other Epistles that imply that Christians are under the law but the Pauline Epistles say we are not. I would say the authors of those other Scriptures were still laboring under "Jewish fables". People like Peter and James didn't receive the higher gnosis that Paul did. That's why Paul had to "oppose Peter to his face". The actual Pauline Epistles were authored earlier than any of the other books that make up the NT canon we have now.

 

[visionary]

The law is spiritual...

 

[Ishraqiyun]

The law is spiritual.

There is a spiritual law of love. When Paul talks about us not being under the law he is speaking of the OT law of ordinances (don't eat, don't touch, etc..) though. The law of love is something different all together.

 

[GQ Chris]

Christians aren't allowed to eat pig? Hmmm, thats news to me. I enjoy pig on a regular basis.

 

[visionary]

There is a spiritual law of love. When Paul talks about us not being under the law he is speaking of the OT law of ordinances (don't eat, don't touch, etc..) though. The law of love is something different all together.

So you are saying that the Law of Christ is not the Law of God.. that the Father and Son are not in harmony on this issue??

 

[INTJ-F]

Originally Posted by sdmsanjose

INTJ-F
You did not answer my question in my last post whicj is reprinted below.
My question is not a trick question I just want to be sure what your position is.


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if they say... keep the least..

Can't answer questions from those that are on my blocked list for being abusive.

My position is that if you love God, you will obey Him otherwise Messiah Yeshua will reject you on judgment day.

If you claim to love God and accept Yeshua as Messiah, you would naturally obey Torah. You wouldn't spit in your spouse's face and then claim you love them - the same with God. He calls eating swine and shellfish an abomination so if you love Him, you would not do anything intentionally to offend Him.

If giving up swine and shellfish is too much of a bother for you and you have to justify eating it, one wonders if you even care what God said. If you do not care what God said, why do you claim to be following Messiah who said he will reject those who do not do what God said even if they do works for Him?

Read the verses in my signature and do not redefine them based on your feelings. Yeshua clearly stated those who sin (disobey God / IE: Torah) will be rejected on judgment day regardless of how many things they did in His name.

 

[INTJ-F]

Christians aren't allowed to eat pig? Hmmm, thats news to me. I enjoy pig on a regular basis.

Yeshua said he will reject those who claim to be His if they refuse to obey God. Just because you claim to be a Christian does not make it so. If you love Yeshua, you would obey His commandments.

 

[INTJ-F]

So you are saying that the Law of Christ is not the Law of God.. that the Father and Son are not in harmony on this issue??

The "gospel of love" is another gospel that was not taught by the early church.

The road is NARROW and FEW find it. Most will be surprised on judgment day when Messiah Yeshua will tell them to 'go away, I never knew you' because they refused to obey God.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

So you are saying that the Law of Christ is not the Law of God.. that the Father and Son are not in harmony on this issue??

No. I believe that the Father and the being who revealed the Old Testament law are not the same person.

 

[INTJ-F]

No. I believe that the Father and the being who revealed the Old Testament law are not the same person.

Any reason you use a demon for your avatar?

 

[GQ Chris]

Acts Ch 10:
9 On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10 But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11 and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
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Mark Ch. 7
17 When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18 And He *said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”

 

[visionary]

Acts Ch 10:
9 On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. 10 But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; 11 and he *saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, 12 and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. 13 A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!” 14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord, for I have never eaten anything unholy and unclean.” 15 Again a voice came to him a second time, “What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.” 16 This happened three times, and immediately the object was taken up into the sky.
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Mark Ch. 7
17 When he had left the crowd and entered the house, His disciples questioned Him about the parable. 18 And He *said to them, “Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?” (Thus He declared all foods clean.) 20 And He was saying, “That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, 22 deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. 23 All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man.”

Keep reading and Peter will explain how he came to understand what the vision was meant to teach him.. and it wasn't about food .. but that Peter must not call any man unclean..

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Any reason you use a demon for your avatar?

It's supposed to be an alien. I thought it was thought provoking. A kind of humorous reference to the "alien " or "unknown" God too.

This was one of the first books on gnosticism I read and the term "alien god" just stuck with me:

The Gnostic Religion: The Message of the Alien God and the Beginnings of Christianity

 

[GQ Chris]

Keep reading and Peter will explain how he came to understand what the vision was meant to teach him.. and it wasn't about food .. but that Peter must not call any man unclean..

So basically you have allegorized the passage.

 

[GQ Chris]

Wait a minute I may have to rethink my stance on pork eating.

 

[GQ Chris]

Okay time's up. Pork is still okay to eat. The Bible confirms it.

 

[visionary]

So basically you have allegorized the passage.

That is the way Peter saw it.. that is the way scripture explains it.. that is the way I believe it.