Why Christian not allowed eat to pig?

INTJ-F · May 28, 2011

Okay time's up. Pork is still okay to eat. The Bible confirms it.

No it doesn't. You are reinterpreting the bible to fit your own beliefs. Using a satanc symbol for your avatar shows me who you follow

Another 'Plunk'

GQ Chris · May 28, 2011

INTJ-F said:
No it doesn't. You are reinterpreting the bible to fit your own beliefs. Using a satanc symbol for your avatar shows me who you follow

Another 'Plunk'

LOL. It isn't "Satanic" its the Punisher symbol from the Punisher comic book, Frank Castle the Vigilante Superhero.

Incariol · May 28, 2011

INTJ-F said:
No it doesn't. You are reinterpreting the bible to fit your own beliefs. Using a satanc symbol for your avatar shows me who you follow

Another 'Plunk'

@ claim that skull is satanic symbol: YouTube - ‪Laugh track‬&rlm;

I hate to tell you, but you have one of those "satanic symbols" yourself.

Argue all you want, but God and the apostles made it abundantly clear we aren't bound by Old Covenant dietary laws. Novatian does a good job explaining the error of dietary judaizing. http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0512.htm

INTJ-F · May 28, 2011

Originally Posted by GQ Chris

So basically you have allegorized the passage.

That is the way Peter saw it.. that is the way scripture explains it.. that is the way I believe it.

If something seems to go against what God said, then it was misinterpreted. Keep reading and Peter's vision was interpreted to show it was about men and not about eating unclean animals. If it were about unclean animals, then it was a false vision that should not be in the bible.

GQ Chris · May 28, 2011

^That's called allegorizing a Bible verse.

GQ Chris · May 28, 2011

We are justified by Faith alone in Christ alone. We will not be justified by the Law.

visionary · May 28, 2011

Justification by the law.. is like saying "but the law says".. Christ's justification is "I have taken the penalty that they might live" There is no justification in the law to begin with.. nor is there any now.. that is not why the law is .. it is to point out that which is sin.. that is its purpose.. not its justification... God will use the law and Christ to justify His verdict in the matter.. and without Christ.. you will have no justification.

Incariol · May 28, 2011

"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? On this account Stephen said: "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart, you always resist the Holy Spirit", not only by transgressing the Law but also by wishing to observe it at the wrong time."

--St. John Chrysostom, Adversus Judaeos

GQ Chris · May 28, 2011

My back hurts. Some folks here want to burden me with the weight of keeping the Law.

Incariol · May 28, 2011

GQ Chris said:
My back hurts. Some folks here want to burden me with the weight of keeping the Law.

Didn't the Apostles write a letter to the Church about that?

visionary · May 28, 2011

Incariol said:
"Nothing is more miserable than those people who never failed to attack their own salvation. When there was need to observe the Law, they trampled it under foot. Now that the Law has ceased to bind, they obstinately strive to observe it. What could be more pitiable that those who provoke God not only by transgressing the Law but also by keeping it? On this account Stephen said: "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart, you always resist the Holy Spirit", not only by transgressing the Law but also by wishing to observe it at the wrong time."

--St. John Chrysostom, Adversus Judaeos

Amen.. resisting the Holy Spirit by transgressing the Law.. but observing it wrong..

INTJ-F · May 28, 2011

God said to the gentile nations that He was angry with them because they provoked Him to anger by eating swine's flesh and other abominable things in their vessels (IE: clam chowder) This was given long after the law was given. It is clear God is unhappy when people disobey Him.

Before the flood, Noah knew what animals were clean and which were unclean[sup]1[/sup] (long before the law was given to Moses) and in Isaiah - long after the law was given - God is angry at the gentiles who eat swine.[sup]2[/sup]

If keeping God's dietary laws was only for the Jewish people, then why did Noah (who lived before races became separate) know about clean and unclean animals? and why did God tell the gentile nations He was angry at them for eating swine?

Clearly the dietary laws are meant for all. Even the muslims (which are not Jews) keep most of the dietary laws God gave to Moses so how did they know about them since they became a separate people long before Moses was given the law? (I think the main difference is that they do accept camel as meat and do not keep the rabbinic fences of mixing meat and milk)

1. Genesis 7
2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

2. Isaiah 65
1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Incariol · May 28, 2011

INTJ-F said:
Clearly the dietary laws are meant for all. Even the muslims (which are not Jews) keep most of the dietary laws God gave to Moses so how did they know about them since they became a separate people long before Moses was given the law? (I think the main difference is that they do accept camel as meat and do not keep the rabbinic fences of mixing mat and milk)

You know your in a hard spot when you have to resort to citing the teachings of a false religion.

Ishraqiyun · May 28, 2011

God said to the gentile nations that He was angry with them because they provoked Him to anger by eating swine's flesh and other abominable things in their vessels (IE: clam chowder) This was given long after the law was given. It is clear God is unhappy when people disobey Him.

Abominable clam chowder! Why is eating clam chowder abominable? Seems rather arbitrary. I believe the OT dietary laws were intended to separate and differentiate the people who adhered to them. They had nothing to do with morality or goodness. It's not even a case of compassion for animals because some animals they were allowed to eat and others they couldn't. What goes into a persons mouth can not make a person unclean.

visionary · May 28, 2011

There is no sin sacrificing for what unclean food...... The only mention in the scriptures regarding those who disobey this ordinance is that it is considered an abomination in the eyes of God...

Isaiah 66:17
They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

INTJ-F · May 28, 2011

visionary said:
There is no sin sacrificing for what unclean food...... The only mention in the scriptures regarding those who disobey this ordinance is that it is considered an abomination in the eyes of God...

Isaiah 65
5 These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Incariol · May 28, 2011

INTJ-F said:
Isaiah 65
5 These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

Tobit 12
http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=17&ch=12&l=14#x [15] For I am the angel Raphael, one of the seven, who stand before the Lord.

No I don't get it either. See how little sense bible verses make without context?

ricker · May 28, 2011

Elder 111 said:
How come it doesn't ever say "Abolished the law" if that is what is meant? Don't go adding to my Bible!

Don't go bearing false witness against me. I never said the law was abolished, did I?

Many times the New Testament says we are no longer under the law. It never says we are no longer under the condemnation of the law.

ricker · May 28, 2011

Ishraqiyun said:
Abominable clam chowder! Why is eating clam chowder abominable? Seems rather arbitrary. I believe the OT dietary laws were intended to separate and differentiate the people who adhered to them. They had nothing to do with morality or goodness. It's not even a case of compassion for animals because some animals they were allowed to eat and others they couldn't. What goes into a persons mouth can not make a person unclean.

There you go making sense and believing the Bible. You won't get far in this thread.

Elder 111 · May 29, 2011

ricker said:
Don't go bearing false witness against me. I never said the law was abolished, did I?

Many times the New Testament says we are no longer under the law. It never says we are no longer under the condemnation of the law.

What does it mean then?

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