Why Christian not allowed eat to pig?

[Incariol]

Lawless - Without Torah
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Matthew 7
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS

Great, so can you explain to us how you manage to hold down a job while obeying the command to sequester yourself for seven days out of every month or so for your menses?

This whole castigating tone is getting old. srsly. If you aren't going to move beyond the whole "you-lawless-heretics-are-gonna-burn-in-hell" rant....

 

[Lion King]

Lawless - Without Torah​

Matthew 7
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS

Do we have to be physically circumcised to gain Salvation?

 

[MamaZ]

Lawless - Without Torah​

Matthew 7
21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS

Need to finish this part of scripture to be in full context of what Jesus is saying. While I was hungry you did not feed me. While I was in jail you did not visit me. For what ever you do the least of these you do unto me.

 

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[ricker]

Do we have to be physically circumcised to gain Salvation?

According to the law that never changes, one jot or tittle, yes we do.

 

[ghendricks63]

According to the law that never changes, one jot or tittle, yes we do.

And of course as we all know...according to Paul the answer is absolutely not.

 

[ricker]

And of course as we all know...according to Paul the answer is absolutely not.

Thus the quandry for those trying to put us under the law.

 

[polishedmud]

Hi all, I'm new here so I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, but I have a question. What does it mean "to be under the law"? I hear people say it all the time, but I always have difficulty in understanding what it is supposed to mean. Are you saying the law is abolished? Are you saying that as a result, there is no more sin? Are you saying before the cross, people were saved by their own righteousness (works of the law)?

 

[Elder 111]

Hi all, I'm new here so I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, but I have a question. What does it mean "to be under the law"? I hear people say it all the time, but I always have difficulty in understanding what it is supposed to mean. Are you saying the law is abolished? Are you saying that as a result, there is no more sin? Are you saying before the cross, people were saved by their own righteousness (works of the law)?

The bible meaning is "under the condemnation". Those of us that are covered in the blood of Christ are not condemned as we should. The penalty for sin is death but in Christ we have life.
Essentially "under the law" mean "under the death penalty" , or condemnation, but most christian take it to mean that the law is abolished. That is a serious error.

 

[visionary]

The bible meaning is "under the condemnation". Those of us that are covered in the blood of Christ are not condemned as we should. The penalty for sin is death but in Christ we have life.
Essentially "under the law" mean "under the death penalty" , or condemnation, but most christian take it to mean that the law is abolished. That is a serious error.

so true..

 

[ricker]

Hi all, I'm new here so I haven't had a chance to read the whole thread, but I have a question. What does it mean "to be under the law"? I hear people say it all the time, but I always have difficulty in understanding what it is supposed to mean. Are you saying the law is abolished? Are you saying that as a result, there is no more sin? Are you saying before the cross, people were saved by their own righteousness (works of the law)?

Plainly the meaning of "under the law" would be very close to "subject to the law".

 

[ricker]

The bible meaning is "under the condemnation". Those of us that are covered in the blood of Christ are not condemned as we should. The penalty for sin is death but in Christ we have life.
Essentially "under the law" mean "under the death penalty" , or condemnation, but most christian take it to mean that the law is abolished. That is a serious error.

How come it doesn't ever say "under the condemnation of the law" if that is what is meant? Don't go adding to my Bible!

 

[visionary]

How come it doesn't ever say "under the condemnation of the law" if that is what is meant? Don't go adding to my Bible!

Are you under the laws of this country... it is not a bad thing... Under the condemnation of the law on the other hand is..

 

[INTJ-F]

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[URL="http://christian-intj.blogspot.com/"]Matthew 7

21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
22 Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23"And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS Need to finish this part of scripture to be in full context of what Jesus is saying. While I was hungry you did not feed me. While I was in jail you did not visit me. For what ever you do the least of these you do unto me.

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I posted IN CONTEXT what Messiah Yeshua said. You are trying to add another scripture to Matthew 7 to make whatever point you are trying to make.

Here is the entire chapter of Matthew 7. What you added is NOWHERE in Matthew 7. What I posted was an entirely contextual basis: Those who refuse to obey God will be rejected by messiah yeshua on the day of judgment
Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

 

[Elder 111]

How come it doesn't ever say "under the condemnation of the law" if that is what is meant? Don't go adding to my Bible!

How come it doesn't ever say "Abolished the law" if that is what is meant? Don't go adding to my Bible!

 

[Incariol]

I posted IN CONTEXT what Messiah Yeshua said. You are trying to add another scripture to Matthew 7 to make whatever point you are trying to make.

Here is the entire chapter of Matthew 7. What you added is NOWHERE in Matthew 7. What I posted was an entirely contextual basis: Those who refuse to obey God will be rejected by messiah yeshua on the day of judgment
Matthew 7

1Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
12Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

So, you still haven't explained how you hold down a job when Torah requires you to sequester yourself for menses.

 

[INTJ-F]

Are you under the laws of this country... it is not a bad thing... Under the condemnation of the law on the other hand is..

[move]EXACTLY!!! [/move]

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Hello, my name Boris, I live Australia now but bfor was in Ruussia. Recently I become Christian (born agin) and I try to understand all things in Bible. My family never practice any religion, in Russia. So I not complete understand. My quesion is - why Chhristian not allowed eat pig? In Leviticuus 11 it say all animals like pig, kite, owl, moth 'detestable' which in my dictionary mean bad. SO: why god allow us to eat grasshoppr but not moth and pig? I like eating pig bvery much.

I think you may be confusing Judaism and Christianity. It's probably most compassionate to be vegetarian but there is no law regarding what to eat or not in my understanding of Christianity. I think Paul made that clear. The "Old Testament" law is for the psychic or carnal man not the pneumatic who is free in Christ.

 

[INTJ-F]

I think you may be confusing Judaism and Christianity. It's probably most compassionate to be vegetarian but there is no law regarding what to eat or not in my understanding of Christianity. I think Paul made that clear. The "Old Testament" law is for the psychic or carnal man not the pneumatic who is free in Christ.

Of Paul taught it was perfectly fine to eat swine and shellfish, he was a false teacher and his writings should not be included in scripture. Most so-called "christians" twist what he said in order to continue in their disobedience (sin) against God.

God clearly said eating what He said not to eat is an ABOMINATION to Him. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow so if it was an abomination 4,000 years ago it is still an abomination to Him today.

This is to the gentile nations:

Isaiah 65

1 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Of Paul taught it was perfectly fine to eat swine and shellfish, he was a false teacher and his writings should not be included in scripture. Most so-called "christians" twist what he said in order to continue in their disobedience (sin) against God.

Its a "sin" against the god of this world/ aion but not against the Father. The Father frees us (in Jesus) from the rule of the god of this world. His law is no longer binding. For those who are not free it probably is best to follow his law though.