Why can't we discuss Preterism?

[Warstones]

I am new(ish) to these boards, but have read that Fulfilled Eschatology (or Preterism), can't be discussed on the boards. Why is that?

Some might not agree with Preterism, but why stop others discussing it? Some don't agree with the Rapture, but there are plenty of discussions of it on these boards.

 

[2ducklow]

I am new(ish) to these boards, but have read that Fulfilled Eschatology (or Preterism), can't be discussed on the boards. Why is that?

Some might not agree with Preterism, but why stop others discussing it? Some don't agree with the Rapture, but there are plenty of discussions of it on these boards.

Maybe if you crouch preterism in nontrinitarian, non orthodox terminology it can get by. That's what I did with 'trinitarians = woman' thread of mine. I didn't know discussions of preterism are a no no. But if rapture discussion is ok, then preterism as a reason for rejecting it would seem appropriate reason for dismissing rapture. Use to be lots of discussion in here about it.

 

[Evergreen48]

I am new(ish) to these boards, but have read that Fulfilled Eschatology (or Preterism), can't be discussed on the boards. Why is that?

Some might not agree with Preterism, but why stop others discussing it? Some don't agree with the Rapture, but there are plenty of discussions of it on these boards.

We can discuss Preterism in this forum. Look at the top of the page where it says: Unorthodox Theology A forum to discuss theological doctrines not accepted by mainstream evangelical Christianity (eg. Full Preterism, Unitarianism)

 

[Warstones]

That's fine and I understand that, but why aren't discussion of it allowed in the mainstream forums?

 

[Evergreen48]

That's fine and I understand that, but why aren't discussion of it allowed in the mainstream forums?

I've always thought that kind of odd too. But the fact that you can't discuss it, ties your hands in many discussions that go on in mainstream forums.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

Wait, Preterism is not allowed to be discussed on the main boards like GT, Eschatology, etc?

 

[Evergreen48]

Wait, Preterism is not allowed to be discussed on the main boards like GT, Eschatology, etc?

I'm under the impression that 'Eschatology' is a sub forum which falls under the 'General Theology' board. I've never been sure about the main board, General Theology, whether Preterism is allowed to be discussed there or not. So I've never taken a chance. But in one of its sub forums , Eschatology, it plainly says that ' Partial Preterists are welcome but no full Preterist views'.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

Does this go for partial-preterism as well?

 

[Warstones]

Does this go for partial-preterism as well?

No. You're apparently allowed to discuss Partial Preterism as most PPs hold to the Amillennialist view of the end times (that the millennium is symbolic and lasts until Christ's return), but that most of Revelation happened in 70 AD.

So as far as most Christians are concerned, PPs - while being close to unorthodoxy - still remain within the bounds of orthodox Christianity.

I still think it's odd not to allow a discussion of Preterism on the other boards though, when you can discuss the Rapture, post-millennialism etc.

 

[BeforeTheFoundation]

No. You're apparently allowed to discuss Partial Preterism as most PPs hold to the Amillennialist view of the end times (that the millennium is symbolic and lasts until Christ's return), but that most of Revelation happened in 70 AD.

So as far as most Christians are concerned, PPs - while being close to unorthodoxy - still remain within the bounds of orthodox Christianity.

I still think it's odd not to allow a discussion of Preterism on the other boards though, when you can discuss the Rapture, post-millennialism etc.

Yeah, no kidding. It seems a little odd that you can discuss partial but not full.

That should be changed. I don't like saying that people cannot discuss something.

 

[Suede]

That's fine and I understand that, but why aren't discussion of it allowed in the mainstream forums?

The ultimate truth is there is no reason. Period, end of story. There is no reason to not allow it to be discussed. I have yet to have a single person, especially a moderator, lay out Biblically much less historically why it is UnOrthodox or heretical. IMO it's actually bad to ban discussions; St. Paul notes that we should examine all things. Well....if you automatically shut down a discussion you are not examining all things in accordance with St. Paul. You are also willfully making yourself ignorant which is completely absurd. I'm greatly bothered that with as much exposure the Rapture has gotten as being non Biblical it is still fully accepted as Orthodox which is total nonsense.

To me the only reason is one of subjective emotions or because someone was told something by someone and never did any fact checking on their own. Extremely poor study habits which sadly are rampant among many Christians.

The best thing to do is to be the best witness you can. Fortunately pretty much every Full (or TRUE) Preterist I've talked with knows the Bible and the history surrounding the New Testament. Calmly present the Biblical and Historical evidence to someone, and let it go. Someone truly, truly seeking the truth will turn to Preterism, if not, then so be it.

SUEDE

 

[Notrash]

Good synopsis by Suede;

Preterism believes that various prophecies were actually supernaturally fulfilled in the events of the incarnation and the first century. Futurism is associated with the disbelief of the Jews and jewish fables and also the talmud.

Futurism/dispensationalism was a doctrine and system that I feel was formulated by the pharisaic, atheistic or rebellious type of socialists to break down the progress of America as it departed from the rule of the crown into a more individualistic and Spirit awakened society even attempting to instill and allow for true Christian beliefs and to allow for the self governing Law of Love into society. Laws of individualism (of the new covenant) and laws of cause/effect and responsibility. Laws that support that if one desired to proclaim Jesus, the Holy Spirit; as his/her only king, (as some did) they would be free to do so.

Cornwallis had told George Washington at his surrender that a holy war would now begin in America and that eventually it's churches which were once bastians of freedom would be permeated with and used to teach Judaism....

Formulated in Europe in the early 1800's or well before, futurism/dispensationalism grew by leaps and bounds through scofield and his bible commentary and his behind the scene aids; through the Niagara Bible Conferences (NBC) which became a futurist/pro Israel springboard; and then by extension of the NBC, the bible college movement. A VERY High percentage of bible colleges still hold to the futurist perspective and even state that books such as Daniel or others will be taught from the futurist perspective. (Philadelphia College of Bible) Other avenues of indoctrination have been in the early 1900's in a series of pamphlets titled "The fundamentals" and Biola bible school/university. Some speculate that the Standard Publishing company under Rockefellers watchful eye also injected some untruth.

Full preterism greatly reduces the importance of the professional paid clergy and the 'religion" called christianity. In full preterism the Living and abiding Holy Spirit of Christ is relied upon as the teacher in patience and faith while resting in His unconditional acceptance and Love.
There is no pressure of guilt to be approved by having the 'right answer' or 'right theology' or be indoctrinated into those answers especially as it pertains to the teaching of the so called 'church age' and the blessing of national Israel. There is no twisting of the scriptures.

Fulfilled perspective recognizes that Christ came in power and glory Revealing himself as Creator through the armies of Rome as prophecied in Deut 32, iis here now in the indwelling Holy Spirit, never left and does not need to come again for a final ending. The end of all things and the full establishment of eternal laws was at hand at that time.

Futurism says that the world will get progressively worse and the believers are raptured while the world is re-made. Preterism says that those of the kingdom of God established in Power are instilled with Royalty to maintain goodness (light)in the world and to work towards making it better according to their understandings of Life and the laws of eternal Life.

Fulfilled Preterist perspective is the only sound and rational perspective that views the Creation as Good and it's Creator victorious and accepts the supernatural aspects of a living God able to foreplan, foretell and fullfill events which establish eternal laws of Life. Putting the historical occurances of the first century back into the formula of the prophecies proves their fulfillments much like an algebraic or chemical equation can be 'prooved'.

These concepts do not jive well with those who wish to perpetuate, expand and support the marketed aspect of the "RELIGION" of judaized christianity. This I think is one of the reasons that full preterism cannot be discussed in general theology.

Furthermore, and perhaps most significant, full preterism stands against he scofield bibles missapplication that those who bless physical genetic Israel or conditional covenant national corporal Israel will be blessed, thus it stands against the dominant indoctrinations of the last 160 yrs calling them false and 'lies'.

Enough for awhile.!!!