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I read the NT and got doubts. So I read the OT...and that just made things worse...
I have my reasons.
Christianity never really made me feel I was growing as person. So that's one reason why I'm not a Christian.
What makes you feel like you are growing as a person??
I don't like many of the patriarchal aspects of it.
I see you are a feminist. But can a feminist not Honor a male God??
francais mentioned the issue of the "Chosen Nation" or "Chosen People." I don't believe that. That's just not right to me.
Do you know any mothers who have a favorite child??
They love all their kids equally but like one more??
I don't believe Christianity should the be one and only path to God, self improvement, happiness, having morals. In other words, I don't believe Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) to be the "right" one. Or the religion that supposed to have all the answers to life questions. Like "why are we here? how did we get here?"
Should their be more than one way to heal a disease??
The behavior of some Christians has also caused me to move away from Christianity. Such as the self rightousness, the irrational hostility towards other belief systems. Also, having de-converting from Christianity, when I made the decision to do so, there were rumors spreading around my former church that I was "cursed." Now, you have wonder how this would make me feel.
I am sorry for your experience with self righteous and judgemental Christians. After all Christians are not perfect , they are human too , right??
As Friction mentioned, the morality of the Christian God.
Huh??
Finally I would like to address the last part of dlamberth post. Yeah, I believe that about Christianity as well, being a failed religion.
I have my reasons.
Christianity never really made me feel I was growing as person. So that's one reason why I'm not a Christian.
I don't like many of the patriarchal aspects of it.
francais mentioned the issue of the "Chosen Nation" or "Chosen People." I don't believe that. That's just not right to me.
I don't believe Christianity should the be one and only path to God, self improvement, happiness, having morals. In other words, I don't believe Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) to be the "right" one. Or the religion that supposed to have all the answers to life questions. Like "why are we here? how did we get here?"
The behavior of some Christians has also caused me to move away from Christianity. Such as the self rightousness, the irrational hostility towards other belief systems. Also, having de-converting from Christianity, when I made the decision to do so, there were rumors spreading around my former church that I was "cursed." Now, you have wonder how this would make me feel.
As Friction mentioned, the morality of the Christian God.
Finally I would like to address the last part of dlamberth post. Yeah, I believe that about Christianity as well, being a failed religion.
You mean like Santa Claus? Nope.
I have come to believe that Christianity has become a failed religion because basically, it has lost touch with it's own spiritual ground. For instance, where Jesus taught love and compassion and the Golden Rule, because they could not get those teachings in the Christian Church, I know many folks who have had to go to Buddhism to learn them.Finally I would like to address the last part of dlamberth post. Yeah, I believe that about Christianity as well, being a failed religion.
[FONT="]"IF"...and that's a mighty big "IF, Christianity had actually lived up to the ideals of it's founder, that being Love and Compassion and treating others as you would be treated, I have no doubt that today, after 2000 years of Love and Compassion, that we would see a lot less wars in the world, (maybe even none), that we would have no or very little world hunger or people dying for lack of water, most people would have a roof over their heads and medical access. And I have no doubt that there would be very little human rights issues that we see today and that we would see the earth in a lot better ecological shape than it is in now.How has it failed?? I am sorry I can't multi quote so you will have to read my responses in the main body of the text of your post I quoted.
God bless,
carey
[/list]A very short while before your deconversion, you very self-assuredly told us God would not be fair if he didn't send people to Hell for rejecting him. Was all that a facade of rationalization to avoid an inconvenient truth?
I remember debating you when you were a Christian, you weren't that bad! At least I never wanted to hit you.français;39380017 said:that was me trying to accept it, but in my heart i always knew that eternal hell was such a disgusting thing.
ask worldfriction.. once she IMed me and said "why is hell eternal, that is horrible" and I could not come up with a response, so you know what my response was?! "well, people used to not always think it was bad." Yea! That was my llame excuse.. Because I had nothing else to justify such!!
when I was a christian, i said some pretty interesting things.. i said i was a creationist... now, thinking about creationism makes me SICK. i said that a christian nation would not be bad... now, i can not even think about how disgusting a christian nation would be! when i was christian, i said that creationism should be taught in schools.. now, i oppose to that 100%.
my heart was sealed as a christian. i tried to believe things that i did not really think ere right. and, i just conformed myself to the bible.
however, i have opened my mind, and now can not stomach some of the things i believed just a short while ago!
i always hated the view of eternal hell.. and i tried so hard to not believe in eternal hell. however, since i believed in an infallible pope, i sort of made myself. but even then, i tried to conform my beliefs to my ways of thinking.. "oh, maybe it is not bad, maybe there is no torture." When the bible clearly says otherwise!!
eternal hell is the most disgusting, sadistic thing ever. if i ever met someone like i was a month ago, i would probably hit them!
None of this has anything to do with God or with living in the awareness of the Divine. It's all about fear. Period!! I believe that's why many are no longer Christian.You might like this one
http://www.fixedearth.com/PART II Paganism.htm
THE Plan of God is evident by the simple fact of supernatural fulfillment of prophesies. Leaving aside over 300 documented prophecy fulfillments from the Old Testament into the first century A.D., let us focus on just one fulfillment that is coming to pass before our very eyes. This is the fulfillment of a prophecy put in writing over 1900 years ago, namely the prophecy of a One World Government.
No other religions holy books even remotely compare with such a proof of supernatural origin. None. This same kind of proof of supernatural origin can be seen repeatedly in the historically recorded fulfillment of scores of Old Testament prophecies over a 1500 year period,. Only an omniscient God can make such prophecies and fulfill them to the letter hundreds of years down the road. Only an omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent God could describe over an 1100 year period from Moses (Genesis 3:15) through Isaiah (Is. 53) and on through Zechariah (9:9; 11:12,13; etc.) thirty specific prophecies about the crucifixion of Jesus that are historically corroborated to have been fulfilled in one day!
If you want to mess with that kind of God Who is capable of that kind of foreknowledge and the power to bring it to pass--not to mention the entire design of all creation!--its your call! But, be assured you will lose! HE has made it plain that there is an eternal paradise on a New Earth in His Plan, and that "whosoever will" (Rev. 22:17) can be there. This Plan beats all the other claimants coming and going. If you hate deceptions and can eagerly embrace the Truths that are going to expose those deceptions in the Fall of Babylon youll be on your way. Dont let false pride stand in your way when you find out how many deceptions have fooled you. Its happened to all of us. The main thing (for those not inclined to have Satan as their god) is to change and follow every Truth that God will show us and will confirm in His Word. HE will receive ALL who come seeking Him in this manner with an honest heart for, unlike the god of any other religion, HE is "no respecter of persons" (Rom. 2:11):There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. and if ye be Christs, then are ye Abrahams seed, and heirs according to the promise (Gal.3:28,29).-------
any compromise of the Purely Secular Model of "creation" or "origins". If its foundational godless "Creation" Model--i.e., its "Thesis"--is compromised, i.e., if the Purists accept some kind of supernatural explanation for all that exists (which they are absolutely forced to do by the sheer design and function of endless examples all around every one of us), then credibility of the entire "purely scientific" Model is, in fact, no longer viable HERE. This unavoidable compromise with its former Antithesis--a compromise whereby a Supernatural creator of some sort is accepted --also results in a Synthesis. Thus, when the credibility of the Purest/Atheistic philosophy/religion is destroyed at its "creationist" roots and is forced to incorporate supernaturalism into its system, the same kind of vacuum grabs the new Synthesis by the throat and ushers Paganism--a new Thesis--onto the world stage. (In this context, Hegels "Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis, " idea reaches its apotheosis....)
We already know a good bit about the way this Synthesis is being brought to fruition in Christendom by the Theoretical Science Establishments near-destruction of the Creation Account taught in the Bible. And we are suddenly witnessing a dramatic rise of Paganism in Churches as a result of this widespread attempt to accept the "Origins Scenario" of a godless cosmology in place of the "Origins Scenario" of the Bible. The goal in all this Bashing of the Bible with the velvet hammer of ecumenical tolerance for all religions is well advanced. That goal is to reduce Jesus to a "good teacher" and "nice guy" status. "Really now(cant you hear it?), this Son of God dogmatism is just unacceptable in our enlightened age. I mean, Jesus can have billing alongside Buddha and Mohammed and Confucius and the Dali Lama, Zoroaster, and Elvis, but weve got to be tolerant of all religions and beliefs, yknow, `and that is that. After all...as science has shown us... there is no Absolute Truth about god and we need to proceed on that basis allowing everybody to worship whatever they want to...." Puke.
Aside from the dumb conclusion echoed throughout academia that "there is no Absolute Truth"...dumb because it is stated as an Absolute Truth...just suppose there is not only absolute truth about a host of things (ex. real scientific facts), but suppose that the Bible really does contain the Absolute Truth given to mankind by God just as it declares and just as billions of smart people have confirmed over thousands of years.... Go a step further with that supposition: Suppose that this embodiment of Absolute Truth from God in the Bible is the sole target that Satan--created with no truth in him by a God who makes no mistakes (Jn.8:44)-- must destroy...by any and all deceptive means in his power...including the erection of false religions and false science??
Few would argue that Satans success in destroying Biblical integrity is not far advanced in the churches. But, not to worry! In this supposition that the destruction of Biblical integrity is Satans primary goal--which is a thoroughly defensible supposition--we cannot loose sight of the Scriptural fact that all of Satans initiatives must be viewed as part of a Sovereign Gods Plan which was fully codified before the beginning of the world (Acts 15:18; Eph. 1:4; I Pet. 1:20; etc.).
No other religion can provide that much prophetic proof? I disagree.No other religions holy books even remotely compare with such a proof of supernatural origin. None. This same kind of proof of supernatural origin can be seen repeatedly in the historically recorded fulfillment of scores of Old Testament prophecies over a 1500 year period,. Only an omniscient God can make such prophecies and fulfill them to the letter hundreds of years down the road. Only an omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent God could describe over an 1100 year period from Moses (Genesis 3:15) through Isaiah (Is. 53) and on through Zechariah (9:9; 11:12,13; etc.) thirty specific prophecies about the crucifixion of Jesus that are historically corroborated to have been fulfilled in one day!
If you want to mess with that kind of God Who is capable of that kind of foreknowledge and the power to bring it to pass--not to mention the entire design of all creation!--its your call! But, be assured you will lose!.
[FONT="]"IF"...and that's a mighty big "IF, Christianity had actually lived up to the ideals of it's founder, that being Love and Compassion and treating others as you would be treated, I have no doubt that today, after 2000 years of Love and Compassion, that we would see a lot less wars in the world, (maybe even none), that we would have no or very little world hunger or people dying for lack of water, most people would have a roof over their heads and medical access. And I have no doubt that there would be very little human rights issues that we see today and that we would see the earth in a lot better ecological shape than it is in now.
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That is correct. Of course if Jesus did not fulfill EVERY prophecy in the Bible, including the Final "END of TIME" on the OC Jewish Nation, then of course He could not be the Jewish Messiah.Firstly, I_Are_Sceptical, if you go to jewsforjudaism.org, you'll find that even the Jewish prophecies aren't fulfilled suitably by Jesus.
Take it from someone who was bar-mitzvahed, hehe.
Yet, the Jewish Messiah's arrival is supposed to end war, end the persecution of Jews, and be a man, not another dimension of God.That is correct. Of course if Jesus did not fulfill EVERY prophecy in the Bible, including the Final "END of TIME" on the OC Jewish Nation, then of course He could not be the Jewish Messiah.
Zechariah 8:23 Thus sayeth YHWH-of Hosts: in-Days, the-those, which They-shall-take-fast/hold a-hem/wing, Ten Mortals/Men/0582 'enowsh, from-all Tongues-of the-Nations.
And-They-take-fast/hold in-hem-of/03671 kanaph a-Man/0376 'iysh, a-Judean/Y@huwdiy, to-say 'We-are-going with-You that We-hear Elohiym with-You'.
Mark 6:56 And the-where ever He into-journeyed into villages, the cities, the fields/hamlets, in their market-places, they place the ones being sick and they beside-called Him that if-even the hang-foot of the garment of Him they should be touching, and as manysoever as touch of Him/it, were Saved.
I disagree. If Christians, as a group, put Jesus' teachings into practice hunger would cease to exist all over the world.Christianity is not here to prevent world hunger.
Hi. We know JESUS fulfilled the first part of Isaiah 61:2 but what about the "day of Vengeance" concerning the second part?Yet, the Jewish Messiah's arrival is supposed to end war, end the persecution of Jews, and be a man, not another dimension of God.
As well, Judaism never spoke of hell, it spoke of Sheol, a void where one is disconnected from God for a time, but there's no mention of eternal torment or other such barbarism.
If anything, Jesus brought more persecution (albeit indirectly) onto the Jews.
So you don't believe in beings or forces vastly more powerful/ superior than humans??
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