Why are we so much smarter?

Bombila · Mar 22, 2008

juvenissun said:
Good. See what we can do when compared to chimps.

In comparison, if we can do 100, chimp can do less than 1.

Example: fire, buildings, written words, literature, sciences, explorations, knowledge, art, religion.

How can anyone say we evolved from chimps?

But no one does say humans evolved from chimps. We say chimps and humans share an ancestor.

Both chimps and humans are a very long way from that common great-great-moregreats- grandmother. They learned to live in the places they can survive well in, doing the things they can do well. Humans took a different path, and learned to live almost anywhere, doing the things we do well.

We still have many things in common, inherited from that ever so many greats-grandmother and her mate.

Assyrian · Mar 23, 2008

Congratulations Juv you have completely revolutionised the way psychologists can measure intelligence, just count the number of things people can do! I wonder how you would score if you were living in the jungle with some chimps, would you recognise difference between the warning cry when there is a cheetah coming or an eagle? No. Build a nest in a tree and not fall out? Know which fruit is poisonous and which is edible? No. Survive for a week? No.

You completely ignored my point there Juv. You don't measure intelligence by what they can't do but the level of intelligence for what they can. Can a two year old make fire, write, do science? Are they near zero intelligence? If so, how did we ever develop from being toddlers?

Oh and only creationists say we evolved from chimps.

juvenissun · Mar 22, 2008

Assyrian said:
Oh and only creationists say we evolved from chimps.

What do you mean? I thought TE says that.

juvenissun · Mar 22, 2008

Assyrian said:
Congratulations Juv you have completely revolutionised the way psychologists can measure intelligence, just count the number of things people can do! I wonder how you would score if you were living in the jungle with some chimps, would you recognise difference between the warning cry when there is a cheetah coming or an eagle? No. Build a nest in a tree and not fall out? Know which fruit is poisonous and which is edible? No. Survive for a week? No.

You completely ignored my point there Juv. You don't measure intelligence by what they can't do but the level of intelligence for what they can. Can a two year old make fire, write, do science? Are they near zero intelligence? If so, how did we ever develop from being toddlers?

Oh and only creationists say we evolved from chimps.

There is still problem with the posting. The #41 should follow #43

juvenissun · Mar 23, 2008

Assyrian said:
Congratulations Juv you have completely revolutionised the way psychologists can measure intelligence, just count the number of things people can do! I wonder how you would score if you were living in the jungle with some chimps, would you recognise difference between the warning cry when there is a cheetah coming or an eagle? No. Build a nest in a tree and not fall out? Know which fruit is poisonous and which is edible? No. Survive for a week? No.

You completely ignored my point there Juv. You don't measure intelligence by what they can't do but the level of intelligence for what they can. Can a two year old make fire, write, do science? Are they near zero intelligence? If so, how did we ever develop from being toddlers?

Oh and only creationists say we evolved from chimps.

There is still problem with the posting. The #41 should follow #44

Assyrian · Mar 23, 2008

juvenissun said:
Oh and only creationists say we evolved from chimps.

Click to expand...

What do you mean? I thought TE says that.

No humans and chimps evolved from a common ancestor.

Interesting time shifts going on...

Mick116 · Mar 23, 2008

sfs said:
As others have pointed out, this is wrong. Chimpanzees are much more intelligent than, say, howler monkeys, which in turn are much more intelligent than guinea pigs, which are more intelligent than salamanders. Chimpanzees can use tools, can learn behavior simply by observing it, can learn to communicate using human sign language, and have intricate social interactions.

And so we come to the age-old question: Are dogs more intelligent than cats? [cue dramatic music]

juvenissun · Mar 23, 2008

Assyrian said:
No humans and chimps evolved from a common ancestor.

Interesting time shifts going on...

Irrelevant.

I don't care what is thought to be the common ancestor of what, we are not part of it. We are too smart to come out of those animals.

juvenissun · Mar 23, 2008

Assyrian said:
No humans and chimps evolved from a common ancestor.

Interesting time shifts going on...

Irrelevant.

I don't care what is thought to be the common ancestor of what, we are not part of it. We are too smart to come out of those animals.

Mallon · Mar 23, 2008

juvenissun said:
Irrelevant.

I don't care what is thought to be the common ancestor of what, we are not part of it. We are too smart to come out of those animals.

Well... maybe some of us are.

(Incidentally, when I visited Paris last summer, I had a chance to see some orangutans feeding at the zoo. They were given an individual container of yogourt to snack on. They would pull off the lids, fold them to make a spoon shape, and use those fabricated spoons to eat the yogourt out of the containers. It's the most human-like behaviour I've seen among animals -- a behaviour even I've resorted to when forgetting to bring a spoon with my lunch! I don't think it's such a stretch to believe we share a common ancestor with the apes.)

Markus6 · Mar 24, 2008

I like to think I'm adopted because I'm so much smarter than my parents.

InnocentOdion · Mar 23, 2008

Mallon said:
(Incidentally, when I visited Paris last summer, I had a chance to see some orangutans feeding at the zoo. They were given an individual container of yogourt to snack on. They would pull off the lids, fold them to make a spoon shape, and use those fabricated spoons to eat the yogourt out of the containers. It's the most human-like behaviour I've seen among animals -- a behaviour even I've resorted to when forgetting to bring a spoon with my lunch! I don't think it's such a stretch to believe we share a common ancestor with the apes.)

Haha, cool.
You forgot animalistic behaviour from humans. Some people eat their boogers.

Uphill Battle · Mar 24, 2008

I think intelligence is a very poor indicator in an argument pro, or anti evolutionary acceptance.

I'm a YEC myself, however, I don't think saying "look, we're smarter" is a proof of anything.

besides which, I often observe human behavior that makes chimps look like rhodes scholars.

Mallon · Mar 23, 2008

Uphill Battle said:
besides which, I often observe human behavior that makes chimps look like rhodes scholars.

Don't need to look much further than these boards.

Smidlee · Mar 23, 2008

juvenissun said:
If we were evolved from apes, what are we so much smarter than apes?

Like others have pointed out we didn't evolved from apes we supposed to have evolved from a mythical creature which had two offspring , one offspring eventually went to Harvard and the other went ape. Just like the search for Bigfoot, evolutionist continues searching from this mythical creature ( by slapping bones and footprints together) which may or may not ever exist.

P.S by the way posting here today is really messed up. How did my post end up #49 instead of #55?

Uphill Battle · Mar 24, 2008

Mallon said:
Don't need to look much further than these boards.

indeed.

juvenissun · Apr 9, 2008

Mallon said:
Well... maybe some of us are.

(Incidentally, when I visited Paris last summer, I had a chance to see some orangutans feeding at the zoo. They were given an individual container of yogourt to snack on. They would pull off the lids, fold them to make a spoon shape, and use those fabricated spoons to eat the yogourt out of the containers. It's the most human-like behaviour I've seen among animals -- a behaviour even I've resorted to when forgetting to bring a spoon with my lunch! I don't think it's such a stretch to believe we share a common ancestor with the apes.)

Dig this one out.

It is REAL strange that whenever I argue that human is smarter than ape, there is always someone who would give some "human discoveries" and argue we are in fact not. It seems these people strongly suggest we are as stupid as apes.

I simply say these people are either blind or lying for a purpose. Don't they realize that we put on dresses, eat cooked food, go to school and drive cars?

sago · Apr 9, 2008

juvenissun said:
Dig this one out.

It is REAL strange that whenever I argue that human is smarter than ape, there is always someone who would give some "human discoveries" and argue we are in fact not. It seems these people strongly suggest we are as stupid as apes.

I simply say these people are either blind or lying for a purpose. Don't they realize that we put on dresses, eat cooked food, go to school and drive cars?

Humans are more intelligent than any of the other great apes, on any measure of intelligence you'd care to name.

Greyhounds are faster than poodles, Gizzlies stronger than Kodiacs, Owls have better nightvision than Kestrels.

I have three times as many degrees as both my parents put together... my nephew has twice the chess rating of the rest of the family put togther... so what?

Mallon · Apr 9, 2008

juvenissun said:
It is REAL strange that whenever I argue that human is smarter than ape, there is always someone who would give some "human discoveries" and argue we are in fact not.

No one here is denying that humans are smarter than other apes. We're simply pointing out that animals aren't all as "stupid" as you make them out to be. God blessed many creatures with intelligence. Not just us.

juvenissun · Apr 9, 2008

sago said:
Humans are more intelligent than any of the other great apes, on any measure of intelligence you'd care to name.

Greyhounds are faster than poodles, Gizzlies stronger than Kodiacs, Owls have better nightvision than Kestrels.

I have three times as many degrees as both my parents put together... my nephew has twice the chess rating of the rest of the family put togther... so what?

So, we are not evolved from apes.

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