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Wow. Are you so sure of your own infallibility? Be careful -- we are not each other's enemy. Our shared real enemy walks about like a lion seeking those he may devour.To that end I will hone my abilities and gifts as far as I possibly can: to delve into the creationist mindset as far as I can reach so that I know how to root it out as quickly and painlessly as possible should the need ever arise.
But he is the one who said:These are the two greatest commandments, and certainly we are to keep them in front of us, obey BOTH of them, as we seek to become more like Christ.
The statement I'd disagree with is "the rest of the Word has to be understood as revolving around this". They are the two greatest commandments, and it is good to keep them in mind while reading Scripture, but they are not a keystone for all of Scripture. I would suggest the Gospel, in particular the incarnation, as a more appropriate keystone. The amazing love-- God becoming Man in Jesus -- giving in love even to the point of death -- rising in victory and power. THIS is the key around which Scripture revolves. As you read the history of Israel, you can see God setting up the stage for Jesus. As you read the New Testament, Christ is glorified.
So, while the two greatest commandments are wonderful - Jesus is life itself.
Yes, they are a great summation of the core of the old covenant. But we are of Christ, not of the old covenant. I'm not dismissing them - just saying they are not the best lens through which to view all of Scripture. However, keeping them in mind as we look at Scripture is fine - especially as we work on understanding pieces of the old covenant.But he is the one who said:
Matt 22:40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.
And even...
Matt 7:12 So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Are we a little impatient? You post at 12:30am and then at 9:30am you tell me you're still waiting and repost the same post?VOSSLER i am still waiting on your response?
That's all fine and good, I believe likewise. However that wasn't my point. I was making an inference based on your statement:I see the word God as one simple message: "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
And the rest of the Word has to be understood as revolving around this.
I will not separate the two commandments, nor will I believe in an understanding of the word, that speaks of one, but leaves out the other.
How do you know the Sermon on the Mount wasn't an allegory? Did someone here at CF tell you that? What do you base your belief that we are called to live a life renouncing worldly wealth and possessions on? Show me where Christ was hostile to them.I believe the Sermon of the Mount is to be taken as literal, and that the laws and the prophets have ended, and it is the Sermon of the Mount (the expounded version of the laws) that need to followed, since Christ says that house built on this, is the one that stands, do you? I believe we are called to live a life renouncing worldly wealth, and possession, because Christ seems quite hostile to these things? do you?
I couldn't tell you.Do those who disagree with this interpretation lean on their own understanding, their own flesh? or do they lean on the Word of God?
That's quite an inference! How did you come to that?My understanding of people who say, "you should lean on the Word of God", is that they are actually inferring that I lean on their understanding.
Welcome to wisdom and understanding!In response to the OP, I am now coming to realize how wasteful and fruitless debating the issue of evolution vs. creationism really is.
I like to think of it as a rock.So where does debating get us? Nowhere. Fundamentalism is a brick wall.
I see it as fighting a rock, the rock of God's Word. That's a fight you just can't win no matter how much money and education you throw at it.I don't know how many times I have pitted my 5 years of combined geological and biological training in university against claims of a global flood, invisible barriers to heritability, or the inexistence of transitional fossils, only to be completely ignored.
Thank you for seeing the light, I agree completely.So am I starting to ask myself, 'Why bother anymore?' The evidence for evolution is as clear to most of the world as the evidence for the sphericity of the earth, and I don't pay those who would deny the latter any mind. If YECs want to be left behind, preaching spiritual allegory as science as Luther and his predecessors did, then so be it. If they want to continue pretending the fossil record represents the effects of a devastating global flood, then so be it.
Trust me I'm not pretending anything. I know it is a monster, an ugly one at that.Let's not pretend: evolution is a monster of a theory, with literally thousands of independent lines of evidence in complete agreement with each other. I just did a search on Web of Science for "evolution" and the search engine had to quit at 10,000 pages of results. A similar search for "creationism" yields just 66 pages, seemingly all of which are critical in nature.
On that I do agree, at least until Christ's return that is. The Truth will then be known to all.The theory of evolution is in no danger.
I hope you don't mind my little edit there. I thought it good to end on a positive note.In the meantime, I will...be maintaining my devotion to Christ and his cause.
My mind is and has been available for exploration, although I warn you that it doesn't respond well to conjecture and speculation.If I can help it (though it is all in the hands of God) I will not lose anyone whom God has brought me to care for in my limited, human capacities. To that end I will hone my abilities and gifts as far as I possibly can: to delve into the creationist mindset as far as I can reach so that I know how to root it out as quickly and painlessly as possible should the need ever arise. If that necessitates a little frankness every once in a while, so be it. I can only pray that I will be usable when God wishes me to be used, no more, no less.
hithesh has chosen the good portion, I for one shall not take it away from him.Yes, they are a great summation of the core of the old covenant. But we are of Christ, not of the old covenant. I'm not dismissing them - just saying they are not the best lens through which to view all of Scripture. However, keeping them in mind as we look at Scripture is fine - especially as we work on understanding pieces of the old covenant.
Thanks for the reassurance, vossler. I guess there really is no point arguing with a brick wall or a rock.I like to think of it as a rock.
Something to do with this:
You mistake your interpretation of the bible for God's Word itself. Of course you reject the scientific facts Mallon puts so much time into sharing with you. You think they contradict the bible, when they just contradict your misunderstanding of what God was telling us.I see it as fighting a rock, the rock of God's Word.
I find this attitude disturbing, and it's seen all too often among YEC's. Basically, they are proud that they act like brick walls and ignore everyone else just to support their false views. But you know what they say, Ignorance is bliss.Your welcome!
So you'd rather I dispute it and get into a 'discussion' about it. I think not!I find this attitude disturbing, and it's seen all too often among YEC's. Basically, they are proud that they act like brick walls and ignore everyone else just to support their false views. But you know what they say, Ignorance is bliss.
If I may interject, you seem to be calling out TE's to correct statements by other TE's in a couple of threads. Considering we've been asking Creationists to correct other creationists for a long time, and they never bother, why should we?
I can't count how many times someone on the creationist forum posts some strawman "proof" against evolution, and almost every single creationist cheers in arms at the defeat of the evil evolutionists over something they haven't even bothered to look into. I think busterdog is the only one i've seen actually question some of the nonsense posted by other creationists. No one else does.
And you don't consider this offensive? sheesh.And if you see many people going just a little bit hard on YEC it's because they are stuck up and no im not being offensive. I have respect for everybody period. And I have no problem with YECist- I just can't stand their attitude towards the premise of things. YEC reject everything thrown at them just like a little kid. But they accept the things that they can think up out the blue and some how have thousands of people follow what they believe.
I wasn't being offensive I was exercising freedom of speech. You may have been ofeended but if you were thats the way you decided to view my message. But in a way it's not offensive because more than half of what I said is a fact.
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