Why are we creating less jobs for people and not more? Universal Basic Income?

[RDKirk]

This thinking is part of why America has such massive income inequality and poverty levels.

My daughter reminded me that every US colony was set up as a for-profit enterprise. Wage-slavery is baked into the bones of the USA. Making profit for investors is the American base code.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Why not give those on the 16h shift compulsory room and board when they are not working? That’d keep those rascals from not working and having fun.

And don't forget about a company store that will supply all the workers needs, and at a fair price too.

 

[Desk trauma]

And don't forget about a company store that will supply all the workers needs, and at a fair price too.

Oh if only the utopia of pre mechanization coal mining town was still around. Ban mining automation!

 

[Pommer]

And don't forget about a company store that will supply all the workers needs, and at a fair price too.

“If we don’t have it, then you don’t ‘need’ it!”

 

[partinobodycular]

My daughter reminded me that every US colony was set up as a for-profit enterprise. Wage-slavery is baked into the bones of the USA. Making profit for investors is the American base code.

I've seen you make this claim before. Do you have a source other than your daughter?

 

[partinobodycular]

Most people in their free time don't knit or crochet or read a book or pray, they go out partying and socializing watching porn and going on dating apps. So if they have nothing but free time on their hands, those are the things they will do but multiplied by 100.

So your rationale against UBI is the same as the south's rationale as to why they needed to enslave black people, because black people are so uncivilized that they couldn't possibly be allowed to just run free. Just think of the debauchery they'd revert to.

But then again the church doesn't condone people thinking for themselves either, so your position is no surprise.

 

[Tinker Grey]

And don't forget about a company store that will supply all the workers needs, and at a fair price too.

You load sixteen tons,
and what do you get?

 

[RDKirk]

I've seen you make this claim before. Do you have a source other than your daughter?

All you have to do is read the history. There's no secret about it. How and to whom each was chartered has been "open source" information for hundreds of years.

 

[ruthiesea]

There are approximately 2 jobs for each person in the work force. This helps drive inflation.

 

[Desk trauma]

You load sixteen tons,
and what do you get?

Murica!

 

[partinobodycular]

All you have to do is read the history. There's no secret about it. How and to whom each was chartered has been "open source" information for hundreds of years.

So that would be a no.

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Automation never, ever produces more jobs for more people.

For those whose jobs are being automated - definitely not. However in broader terms automation can be fairly neutral, as automation in one area opens up opportunities to create jobs in another, typically through increased efficiency and reduced cost.

 

[RDKirk]

So that would be a no.

That would be a "didn't you study American History in school?"

Colony | National Geographic Society

Colonial Government Forms: Charter, Proprietary & Royal Colonies - Video & Lesson Transcript | Study.com

Colonial Government - Royal, Charter and Proprietary *** (landofthebrave.info)

 

[RDKirk]

For those whose jobs are being automated - definitely not. However in broader terms automation can be fairly neutral, as automation in one area opens up opportunities to create jobs in another, typically through increased efficiency and reduced cost.

People keep saying that...it's almost a mantra.

But nobody seems to be able to quantify it, not even a piece of it. Can someone look at one particular point of automation and trace back to the greater number of jobs that one particular point of automation created?

Besides the cotton gin creating a greater market for slaves, that is.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Murica!

THAT"S NOT THE LINE!

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

People keep saying that...it's almost a mantra.
But nobody seems to be able to quantify it, not even a piece of it. Can someone look at one particular point of automation and trace back to the greater number of jobs that one particular point of automation created?
Besides the cotton gin creating a greater market for slaves, that is.

I agree that it's hard to quantify in total, because the impacts are complex. Automation rarely impacts a single job type in a single industry, and so tracking what automation has done in terms of net job losses or gains isn't easy.

But to provide some examples - modern computer-read barcodes wiped out mail and parcel-sorting jobs, but have facilitated the boom in parcel shipping and the rise of businesses selling remotely in hundreds of industries. Telephone-based call centres are only possible in a world where automated switchboards have made manual telephone operators redundant. We manufacture and install lifts in almost every type of building because they no longer need lift drivers to operate them.

And to go back into history - the foundation of modern newspapers and book publishing is based on the invention of the printing press, but we would never have got here without putting ancient scribes out of business.

 

[Pommer]

THAT"S NOT THE LINE!

Still, it fits the line.

 

[partinobodycular]

That would be a "didn't you study American History in school?"

So you're doubling down on the no.

 

[Sparagmos]

It won't make them less moral, those who are already less moral will have more time to do their immoral deeds.

. How does having more free time mean more evil deeds? If people aren’t stressed about work or money, we’d see less crime considering the high correlation between poverty and crime.

What I think would be better is making it so that a work week is 20 hours instead of 40 hours.

That’s exactly what a UBI is intended to do. Allow people to work less.

But everyone sitting around not working all day every day will be a disaster.

I think you misunderstood the intent snd structure of an UBI. Everyone would absolutely not be sitting around not working. UBI isn’t supposed to support people completely. It’s intended to be supplemental or just provide a bare bones existence that most people wouldn’t find to be “enough."

God created us to work not sit around all day.

. I don’t think God created us to do meaningless work just so that a few people can get rich. That’s what many if not most people do. It’s good to move, to build and create, to care for others, to innovate and steward the land. Most jobs don’t resemble that, or the division of labor alienates people from the benefit of their work.

 

[RDKirk]

So you're doubling down on the no.

I gave you links to the information.

What else did you expect?

Do you expect me to go to your house and read them to you?