Why are we afraid to be bold?

[Chaplain David]

If you're bored, keep on moving.

 

[Zaac]

Here, let me spice things up for ya.

So sacerdote now that I've warmed things up for ya and awakened you from your stupor, is homosexual fornication sinful? Do you affirm what God's Word says about homosexual fornication?

 

[Chaplain David]

Here, let me spice things up for ya.

So sacerdote now that I've warmed things up for ya and awakened you from your stupor, is homosexual fornication sinful? Do you affirm what God's Word says about homosexual fornication?

 

[FaithLikeARock]

That says it in a nutshell. Have you ever bothered to find out for yourself about what God says? Or have you relied on what people tell you?

Taking words out of context solves problems not.

 

[kiwimac]

Get used to it. We stand for God's word. We represent Christ and His call to holiness in this issue. You can't cut Jesus out of this part of CF, as much as you'd like to.

Nope, you stand for a particular interpretation of the Greek and Hebrew that does not hold up to scrutiny, you stand for a lack of compassion. You claim to represent Christ in this issue and yet deal with others in the most unchristlike fashion possible. Jesus calls us to compassion, Jesus calls us to freeing the oppressed, Jesus calls us to relationship with all those declared 'beyond the pale' by the Religious and the self-righteous.

 

[Chaplain David]

Nope, you stand for a particular interpretation of the Greek and Hebrew that does not hold up to scrutiny, you stand for a lack of compassion. You claim to represent Christ in this issue and yet deal with others in the most unchristlike fashion possible. Jesus calls us to compassion, Jesus calls us to freeing the oppressed, Jesus calls us to relationship with all those declared 'beyond the pale' by the Religious and the self-righteous.

I agree with Kiwimac.

When I read your posts I feel like they are screaming condescending. I feel like I am being yelled at when I read one. As brothers and sisters in the body of Christ we, as the need arises and the Holy Spirit leads us, take turns helping and correcting each other when necessary. But all I feel from you is continual correction. I wish that were not so because I'm sure that you are a fine person and you've publically declared your love for Christ.

God bless you FloatingAxe and I'm going to pray for all of us right now.

 

[Floatingaxe]

People who coddle rebellious Christians aren't doing anything good for them. In fact they hurt them and themselves.

These people aren't wanting succor. They are wanting affirmation! In Jesus name, I won't give it!

If a homosexual who claims Christ wants help to turn from his perversion, then by all means, I will give it, with all the compassion of Christ to pass on His strength to overcome. As it is now, we have none here who want to break away from their preversion. It is wrong to support those who are living an abomination and in rebellion to God. It makes the coddler guilty as well, before the Father.

 

[Zaac]

I agree with Kiwimac.

When I read your posts I feel like they are screaming condescending. I feel like I am being yelled at when I read one. As brothers and sisters in the body of Christ we, as the need arises and the Holy Spirit leads us, take turns helping and correcting each other when necessary. But all I feel from you is continual correction. I wish that were not so because I'm sure that you are a fine person and you've publically declared your love for Christ.

God bless you FloatingAxe and I'm going to pray for all of us right now.

Yall are just put off by anyone who speaks the truth. I personally see nothing wrong with FloatingAxe's response.

Where she has repeatedly and consistently spoken God's Truth, there is a contingent of which you two are involved, that wants to open the door for confusion with tolerance for that which God says is sin.

You continue to speak about people's interpretation of the Greek and Hebrew and I swear, I go right back to what God's Word says about people suppressing the truth and His judgment being givng them over to the sexual impurities of their hearts.

 

[Zaac]

People who coddle rebellious Christians aren't doing anything good for them. In fact they hurt them and themselves.

These people aren't wanting succor. They are wanting affirmation! In Jesus name, I won't give it!

If a homosexual who claims Christ wants help to turn from his perversion, then by all means, I will give it, with all the compassion of Christ to pass on His strength to overcome. As it is now, we have none here who want to break away from their preversion. It is wrong to support those who are living an abomination and in rebellion to God. It makes the coddler guilty as well, before the Father.

Precisely. Right here is where folks are getting confused. They seem to think that we lack compassion because we don't bow over in tolerant acquiescence to those who continue to speak contrary to what God's Word says. Gimme a break.

If folks want to reject God's Word, there is no reason for Christians to affirm that mess.

 

[Chaplain David]

...What peeves me off the most is these chaplain types who are the ones who are all religious, and calling those who walk with Christ in His freedom religious and self-righteous!...Phariseeism is rampant! There are many Christians who don't have any ordination, but they know Jesus Christ and His Word better than any card-carrying minister of a church. Don't rest to heavily on your laurels...they get sent through the fire in the end.

I am not a chaplain-type dear one. I am an ordained Southern Baptist Minister who has embraced all the gifts of the spirit, respected by my church, peers, and those I minister to. I am also a published Baptist writer under contract with a conservative Christian publishing house. So tell me a little about you?

 

[kiwimac]

If you want to study the Bible then you must study it in its original langauges. English versions of the Bible are translations & nuances, puns, cultural viewpoints do not survive translation.

It is YOUR opinion that Floatingaxe speaks God's truth, I disagree profoundly. You argue that homosexuality is called 'sin' by God, there is little Biblical evidence of that.

 

[Floatingaxe]

Precisely. Right here is where folks are getting confused. They seem to think that we lack compassion because we don't bow over in tolerant acquiescence to those who continue to speak contrary to what God's Word says. Gimme a break.

If folks want to reject God's Word, there is no reason for Christians to affirm that mess.

Absolutely! We need more Christians who are willing to be bold for Jesus Christ! We, sadly, are the minority around here.

But God rewards! His blessings rain down daily for speaking His truth!

What a wonderful Saviour I serve!

 

[Zaac]

If you want to study the Bible then you must study it in its original langauges. English versions of the Bible are translations & nuances, puns, cultural viewpoints do not survive translation.

Nice try. I just happen to have an advanced degree in Biblical Languages, so I know a lil bit about the these nuances. And unless you are reading every word in Hebrew and Greek, don't waste your time talking to us about cultural viewpoints and nuances.

It is YOUR opinion that Floatingaxe speaks God's truth, I disagree profoundly. You argue that homosexuality is called 'sin' by God, there is little Biblical evidence of that.

It's God's fact that the whole of His Word reinforces itself and testifies that sex outside of His ordained marriage between a husband and wife is FORNICATION. And all of your back peddling and jumping through nuanced hoops changes this.

And it is precisely this kind of confusion that yall continue to try and author with this whole "translation" mess that tells God's people that it is not of Him.


Word studies and Biblical scholarship are for the purpose of better understanding what God says, not for proving He said something else.

And if YOUR Bible shows little evidence that homosexual fornication is sin, you better get down to the nearest Lifeway and get another copy.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

I will kindly ask that the main questions be addressed. Debating is fine and dandy but there was another discussion I tagged this with.

 

[Chaplain David]

Alright then my fellow Southern Baptist Minister Brother. Do you affirm what God's Word says about homosexual fornication?

Go to my userpage, look up my posts, and see for yourself.

 

[kiwimac]

Nice try. I just happen to have an advanced degree in Biblical Languages, so I know a lil bit about the these nuances. And unless you are reading every word in Hebrew and Greek, don't waste your time talking to us about cultural viewpoints and nuances.

Then you should know better than to claim what you claim. There is no evidence that Malakos and arsenokoites actually have anything to do with homosexuality as it is understood today and quite a body of evidence to support the contention that it is talking about slaves kept for / procured for power-based relationships.

It's God's fact that the whole of His Word reinforces itself and testifies that sex outside of His ordained marriage between a husband and wife is FORNICATION. And all of your back peddling and jumping through nuanced hoops changes this.

I might point out that the Biblical picture of marriage is NOT that simple. It is a one of concubinage, levirate marriages, mutiple simultaneous wives and all of that apparently quite, quite acceptable to God. To insist that Gays cannot marry and THEN say that they must be celibate is to lay on them a burden most heterosexuals could not cope with.

And it is precisely this kind of confusion that yall continue to try and author with this whole "translation" mess that tells God's people that it is not of Him. Word studies and Biblical scholarship are for the purpose of better understanding what God says, not for proving He said something else.

Yes, that is true but a lot of what you are accepting as 'what God says' has been heavily influenced by factors quite outside the experience / intention of those authoring the Bible under God's inspiration. Your teachings often reflect parochial, national and denominational points of view.

And if YOUR Bible shows little evidence that homosexual fornication is sin, you better get down to the nearest Lifeway and get another copy.

We don't have Lifeway in NZ and as I own 40 or 50 differing English translations plus several Greek and Hebrew versions I think I can safely say that the Bible has very little to say about homosexuality as it is understood today and a great deal to say about treating others with kindness and compassion.

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[FaithLikeARock]

Zaac probably went to a Christian college. They tend to teach on an entirely different curriculum than a non-sectarian college. Where did you go kiwimac?

 

[Chaplain David]

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You went and did it this time kiwi, let it out of the bag that you have the references I need sometimes to look up a word or phrase. Now I know who I'll be coming to for the occassional translation. Thanks.

 

[kiwimac]

Zaac probably went to a Christian college. They tend to teach on an entirely different curriculum than a non-sectarian college. Where did you go kiwimac?

University here in NZ and then post-graduate studies in various places actually. Know the song " I've been everywhere, man"?

 

[kiwimac]

You went and did it this time kiwi, let it out of the bag that you have the references I need sometimes to look up a word or phrase. Now I know who I'll be coming to for the occassional translation. Thanks.

Dang!