Why are they gay?

[CaDan]

One more time I guess.

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He's dead, Jim.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

Additionally you mentioned causing hurt. How can I possibly be known to have hurt anyone on this board? On a handful of people on this board have ever met me personally.

Just to answer your question...emotional hurt online is real. I'm a man and I've felt it accutely a couple times. It is real.

 

[Mling]

I think we just saw a good example of it, in fact.

 

[HeavenzAngel]

Just to answer your question...emotional hurt online is real. I'm a man and I've felt it accutely a couple times. It is real.

true, alot of my emotional scars come from people online, I been hurt by real life people to, but they were less vicious. words, hurt even if they are online. And its especially harmful because we don't know the person by the computer, we might cause them great harm, we should be kind to everyone, because we don't know what they got going on in their life, and we wouldn't want someone to kill themselves, because of cruel words. My best friend he was emotionally abuse so bad online he actually had a nervous break down.

One more thing, then I'm done with this topic, maybe...it really isn't important if someone is gay, if they are wrong they can take it up with GOD. They might be gay for a reason, so instead of condeming and calling them sinners, maybe you should ask NICELY, Why do u prefer the same gender? and sometimes, its for very serious reasons like sexual abuse, rape or they are just like that, People need to take time to listen and keep their mouth shuts.

 

[stumpjumper]

we should be kind to everyone, because we don't know what they got going on in their life, and we wouldn't want someone to kill themselves, because of cruel words.

In the words of St. Theresa de Avila ~

Christ has no body now on earth but yours`,
no hands but yours, no feet but yours,
Yours are the eyes through which to look out
Christ's compassion to the world
Yours are the feet with which he is to go about
doing good;
Yours are the hands with which he is to bless men now.

 

[GenemZ]

religion is sad, also talking about someone who isn't here to defend herself is sad. No one knows me, so don't comment on my life. Til you been in my shoes don't judge me, and if you never been gay don't act like you know so much.

Then why are you here attempting to make your point to those who are not gay? If someone does something that the Bible condemns? And, he tries to make others believe its OK? The response is to be that unless they do the same, they have no right to believe the Bible?

2 Corinthians 12:9 niv
"But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me."
​

The LORD has found in you an open door that you keep boarding shut. Its IN OUR WEAKNESS(es) that he takes over and becomes strong in us. We get to know him because we know what we come to see in ourselves could not be ourself being mainfested. It all begins with hehabilitation by means of taking in the truth of God's Word and ACCEPTING what it says. To reject it, is to reject Christ entrance into our broken lives.

God has provided for Himself a wide open door into your soul. By defending one's sin and justifying it only invites hurt and despair that he can not comfort us in. He can only comfort us in the mourning of the passing of our old self that was crucified with Him on the Cross.

Matthew 5:4 niv
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted."
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If we refuse to accept the death of our old self, and keep trying to resurrect it, we will lose this golden oppertunity that was provided by God to know who he is by his power of Grace.

Matthew 16:25 niv
"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it."
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Its when we identify with with what was crucified (our flesh) on the Cross with Christ, rather than identify with Christ; that we end up blaming others for our hurts and pain.

Galatians 2:20 niv
"I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."
​

Not every believer is willing to accept God's plan for their life. They rebel. They seek out mutual admiration societies with those wanting to save themselves in the same way. And, call what they find with these standing in their defence, "love." Its not love. Its earthly love. Not the Love that comes from God.

Matthew 5:46-47 (New International Version)
"If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?"
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If you have God's love manifested you would be loving your enemies (if your enemies were unjustified in their stand against you.) If you find yourself hating them, you have yet to discover the Love of God.

I don't have sexual desire for girls either, I just find them pretty, and would like to have a relationship with them more then me. I have sexual desires for no one, sex is the grossiest thing for me.

That does not make you a lesbian. Arrogant guys who only want sex, may tell you that. Or, arrogant girls who are promiscuous, may try and tell you that.

Sex should be gross if its not love. Perhaps you are closer to God's will than you realize. That is, if what you tell me is accurate.

Feeling more comfortable with the same sex does not make one gay. Wanting to possess someone of the same sex emotionally, can be. But, does not have to be. That's between you and the LORD. Please! I do not care to know.

Half the people in the world don't know what love is about. Straight people are just guilty as gays for thinking sexual desire is love.

Its less than half. I think half would be too many.

Matthew 7:13-14 (New International Version)
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
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God has allowed in all of us weaknesses which to him are doors he had provided for himself to gain access for his grace to enpower and tranform in truth. To want to defend and justify our weaknesses is to exclude God. Yet, it can be distorted to appear to be done in the name of God, as many gays are trying to do today.

"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it."
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We do not even know what it is that Jesus wants to manifest in us until we find it... By trying to save (defend) our life in our natural self, we end up losing the discovery of who we are to become in Christ.

In our weaknesses is where he sets up camp. That is. If we allow him to. And, not blame him for the way we were born.

This is why we all have been given weakness. Not to defend. But, to surrender to Christ and allow his grace to do the work...

2 Corinthians 3:18 niv
"And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit."
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Many never find that to be true.

"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it."

Grace and truth, GeneZ
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[artybloke]

And another example of someone with all the tact of a neutron bomb. Precious little grace and truth if you ask me.

 

[GenemZ]

And another example of someone with all the tact of a neutron bomb. Precious little grace and truth if you ask me.

There is no tact with the Truth. That is what you fail to see.

It crucifies, and it gives life.

For some, its dispised and to be avoided...... disassembled if possible.

Galatians 1:10 niv​

"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ."​

There are many disassemblers to be found in Christiandom today...

Philippians 3:18-19 ​

"For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their emotions, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things."​

There is no 'tact' in truth. For no matter how well it is presented? There will always be those who despise it.

2 Corinthians 2:16a niv​

"To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life."​

When it comes to truth? Jesus was not tactful. For those who sought it, they accepted it. And, not on their terms.

John 6:60-66 (New International Version)​

"On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" ​

Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe." ​

For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him." ​

From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him."​

Jesus ran no tactful ministry. Matter of fact, he turned off many who were following him. He wanted them gone. The majority peeled off by time he was done with his earthly ministry.

Jesus also knows from the beginning of those whom he saves, those who would become enemies of the cross.

No tact in Truth, if it compromises the truth. One does not apologize for who and what Christ is. Jesus is not bowing to you and asking for your audience. Christ does not come to us on our terms. He comes in Love. But, truth does not compromise. What must die, must die... if Christ is to live in us.


Truth is to be spoken in Love. Love for God.

"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ."​

Those who demand to be pampered in their sense of self importance could never be a servant of Christ. They would end up making excuses for the way Christ is.

But? If you insist? Show us how what was said that you found lacking tact, can be said with tact.

Show is how its done. Since you know. I am always willing to learn the truth.

In Christ, GeneZ​

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[WalksWithChrist]

There is no tact with the Truth. That is what you fail to see.

It crucifies, and it gives life.

For some, its dispised and to be avoided...... disassembled if possible.

Galatians 1:10 niv​

"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ."​

There are many disassemblers to be found in Christiandom today...

Philippians 3:18-19 ​

"For, as I have often told you before and now say again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their emotions, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things."​

There is no 'tact' in truth. For no matter how well it is presented? There will always be those who despise it.

2 Corinthians 2:16a niv​

"To the one we are the smell of death; to the other, the fragrance of life."​

When it comes to truth? Jesus was not tactful. For those who sought it, they accepted it. And, not on their terms.

John 6:60-66 (New International Version)​

"On hearing it, many of his disciples said, "This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?" ​

Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, "Does this offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe." ​

For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. He went on to say, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled him." ​

From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him."​

Jesus ran no tactful ministry. Matter of fact, he turned off many who were following him. He wanted them gone. The majority peeled off by time he was done with his earthly ministry.

Jesus also knows from the beginning of those whom he saves, those who would become enemies of the cross.

No tact in Truth, if it compromises the truth. One does not apologize for who and what Christ is. Jesus is not bowing to you and asking for your audience. Christ does not come to us on our terms. He comes in Love. But, truth does not compromise. What must die, must die... if Christ is to live in us.


Truth is to be spoken in Love. Love for God.

"Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ."​

Those who demand to be pampered in their sense of self importance could never be a servant of Christ. They would end up making excuses for the way Christ is.

But? If you insist? Show us how what was said that you found lacking tact, can be said with tact.

Show is how its done. Since you know. I am always willing to learn the truth.

In Christ, GeneZ​

Jesus hung out with people like tax collectors and prostitutes and got to know them. Maybe you could do that instead of slinging Bible verses. Just listen and talk! Get to understand people before you tell them what they are doing wrong and why. It worked for Christ.

I'm only posting this because you asked.

 

[127Rockledge]

I'd rather he use scripture but not be so long winded.

 

[No Swansong]

Umm, empathy and language?

It's not that difficult.

Out of curiosity what language have I used that would qualify as hurtful?

 

[No Swansong]

Umm, empathy and language?

It's not that difficult.

Just to answer your question...emotional hurt online is real. I'm a man and I've felt it accutely a couple times. It is real.

So I would ask what language have I used that is hateful? or hurtful?

 

[ChuRoo]

I think the argument of NARTH (from another thread) would suit best in this thread. Link: http://narth.com/

Opinions, anyone?

 

[CaDan]

I figured it out! That is, I figured out the answer to the question in the thread title!

It's a conspiracy. A conspiracy with the Internet backbone providers. By creating a topic on which there will be unending flame wars, they will be able to sell more and more bandwidth for people to fight their flame wars.

That's right--there is no gay. There is only . . . .

 

[thenewageriseth]

That's not fair-I was only stating my feelings...I get so tired of people judging others for their beliefs-that's why I said those things-That stuff gets on my nerves

 

[thenewageriseth]

oops wrong thread LOL ^___^

 

[Mling]

I was wondering...

 

[GenemZ]

Jesus hung out with people like tax collectors and prostitutes and got to know them. Maybe you could do that instead of slinging Bible verses. Just listen and talk! Get to understand people before you tell them what they are doing wrong and why. It worked for Christ.

I'm only posting this because you asked.

I not only hung out with them. I was them.

I did not need "nice talk." I needed truth. Jesus did not tolerate sin.

John 5:14 niv
"Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, "See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you."

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Jesus said those words to a man he had just healed. Jesus accepted sinners. He did not accept sin. Some here want it both ways.

John 8:11 (New International Version)
"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
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Some have a disconnect here with the fact that Jesus was not a snob, yet would not tolerate sinning.

Grace and truth, GeneZ
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[No Swansong]

I figured it out! That is, I figured out the answer to the question in the thread title!

It's a conspiracy. A conspiracy with the Internet backbone providers. By creating a topic on which there will be unending flame wars, they will be able to sell more and more bandwidth for people to fight their flame wars.

That's right--there is no gay. There is only . . . .

Those "nasty unscrupulous modifilers"
(does anybody know where that quote is from?)

 

[WalksWithChrist]

So I would ask what language have I used that is hateful? or hurtful?

I wasn't refering to anything you said. I was only answering your question about hurting someone online.

Again in short: Yes, you can hurt someone online. Emotional hurt/abuse (speaking generally) is very real. I know from experience in my life on and offline.