Why are they gay?

[127Rockledge]

Again, I didn't say anything about conservatives

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Really, wasn't it you that said: Conservatives know what the scripture says.

I have just seen the post by liberals and their views aren't biblical. Like yours, they are "scientific" not Godly.

This is where we truly will butt heads. For one, you have just said my views, my faith, is not Godly. Is this not judgement?

Two - my "scientific" beliefs are only an expansion upon biblical principle (which is absolutely subjective as we are finite beings and our understanding is so very limited) - I believe that God created this universe, which is a universe with boundaries, rules if you will. Air is made of what - it is never made of this, water is made of what - when you add this it changes into this, I stay standing on the ground why? Why must I eat? These questions go on and on. These are the mathematical maps God designed - do we argue on that?

If this universe is the result of God's engineering (and to believe it is not would be to deny biblical principle would it not?) what is un-Godly in studying it?

And "open minded" is basically the liberal platform, label it however you want. I'm not open minded about the scriptures, I want accuracy, God's word isn't something you play around with.

Well that's where you'll be suprised. Because I TOO would love to know exactly what God meant by many scriptures, why he said some things and didn't say something else. But I'm not standing before God, am I? I can only begin to guess at his greater understanding. Not the understanding of a church or a man - but his truth.

What exactly is my agenda?...I really want to know what you think it is.

Well I can do your deal and say, well what exactly is my agenda - which in all honesty I'd love to know what you think my agenda is - but I've pretty much laid it out in this post.

I think your agenda is to conform every Christian to your understanding of the bible - which you think is the only logical and true understanding. Afterall, 1+1=2, doesn't it?

 

[thenewageriseth]

Here's three more.

Now, go buy yourself a candy bar.

Grace and peace, GeneZ

LOL funny

 

[artybloke]

It could mean one who has sex with what ever is convenient at the moment. Not fussy. Just wants sexual release as he can find it.

It could - but it sure as heck don't mean "homosexual." It could also mean people who like lying in bed all day.

Most were bisexual, that's why.

And you have evidence of this you'd like to share?

And you know someone has lost the argument when they start bringing mythological creatures into it. It's a bit like Godwin's law.

 

[relspace]

Alrighty, I would like to say this. Even though I don't particularly care for that lifestyle (homosexuality), I would like to extend a big ol' olive branch of compassion to them folks. I know most gays have been through H on wheels when they were children, (some even feel that their body is wrong for them) so it's unfair for religious people (in general) to basically try to convert them. They may not want to convert and change their feelings towards the same-sex to feelings of the opposite sex. I'm usually neutral, when it comes to this lifestyle I don't love it nor do I hate it, my parents hate it intensely...but I'm just trying to find some common ground here, instead of judging the socks off of ppl...
and I would like to add that not every woman need a man (or another woman) for that matter-we women can be independent until it is time for us.

"...For everyone a time, for everyone a place, slow down and take it easy, patience wins the race..."-lyrics from a song of an ol kid's show called Rimba's Island, btw loved that show )

I'm a feminist and I don't rely on ANY man. Women and men both should be independent at times. The only reason I would do so is that I can TRUST a man, close to my heart-so far I haven't found one and therefore I don't NEED a man for happiness or whatever. Just my two cents

I sure relate to what you are saying - well as far as I can being a man rather than a woman. I have nothing against anyone who wants their live their lives as they choose, and would also extend the olive branch of peace (of compromise not capitulation). I am all for the idea of respecting the fact that they do not want to change their lifestyle because it is their right to make their own choices, even if their choice is to believe that they have no choice. I merely expect the same respect in return to believe as I choose, and not have their beliefs forced upon me.

Feminism is the way I was raised and I could not conceive otherwise, for unlike you, my parents are the most liberal people you could imagine, But I am also an advocate of male liberation, after all it is only fair. I despise all the masculinity stereotypes and ideas about gender nonconformity upon which these sexual preference "scientists" base all their work.

However, unlike you, I am married and a father of three children. It is a marriage based on independence and self-reliance (no joint bank account). I work at home and our one-year old infant is left in my care most of the time while my wife works outside of the home and pursues her incessant church activities as well.

 

[ttreg]

Ive only read pages one but I thought of something. (No no one told me this but seriously it just poped in my mind) The Bible only saids things against homo sex but not against homo love. Maybe God thinks that homo love is fine but not homo sex? Dont know just poped in my mind

 

[HisEagle]

People are gay because their mothers drank too much coffee while pregnant.

 

[GenemZ]

People are gay because their mothers drank too much coffee while pregnant.

I did not know that you can drink pregnant coffee.

In Christ, GeneZ
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[GenemZ]

It could - but it sure as heck don't mean "homosexual." It could also mean people who like lying in bed all day.

I got my definition from a person who speaks Greek as his first language, and English as his second. The person is a translator for the US Army.

In today's thinking, what I told you, is the meaning and sense for the word. Yet, what it really meant in Paul's day? Is not well known. After all, we can call a politician a "harlot." Referring to a Strong's concordance would be quite misleading in defining what was said.

And you have evidence of this you'd like to share?

Here's one small example:

http://tinyurl.com/jy7y3​

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My pastor who could read history from Greek texts taught a great deal on this subject of ancient Rome, as well. He used it in teaching certain passages to give us the context of the thought expressed. You normally do not find this quality of teaching in the pristine world of mainstream churches today.

http://www.rbthieme.org/r_b_.htm
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And you know someone has lost the argument when they start bringing mythological creatures into it. It's a bit like Godwin's law.

I am not sure how that applies to this debate. Do you believe angels are mythological creatures? I still do not know how that pertains to this discussion, even if that were the case.

In Christ, GeneZ​

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[HisEagle]

I did not know that you can drink pregnant coffee.

In Christ, GeneZ
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Read my signature.

 

[thenewageriseth]

Read my signature.

Wow how rude that is!>______<

 

[YoungJoonKim]

ARGH
Being gay is being gay and believing that being gay is okay and should occur is PERSONAL OPINION.

Cannot be proven that God loves gay sin*
(Love your neighbour and er... Love the sinner, not the sin)

So let's be clear
Let's love these Gay people.
But hate their sin and hate their action and hate their belief which makes them as gay people.

It's hard
but let's start trying.

















It would be such a wonderful world if so happened -_-

 

[thenewageriseth]

[quote=YoungJoonKim;27791363]ARGH
Being gay is being gay and believing that being gay is okay and should occur is PERSONAL OPINION.

Cannot be proven that God loves gay sin*
(Love your neighbour and er... Love the sinner, not the sin)

So let's be clear
Let's love these Gay people.
But hate their sin and hate their action and hate their belief which makes them as gay people.

It's hard
but let's start trying.

















It would be such a wonderful world if so happened -_-[/quote]

Agreed, my brotha

 

[HisEagle]

Wow how rude that is!>______<

Rude? How so?

My sig refers to myself.

 

[thenewageriseth]

Rude? How so?

My sig refers to myself.

Ooh I was about to say my fault-lol you'll have to excuse me...been on edge these days...when on edge I guess I tend to take up more for peeps or something of the like >_< O_O

 

[HeavenzAngel]

I'm gay, I dunno why maybe because I don't like men. I've try to like them, but never did even when I was a little girl. I like them as friends but that is it. I can't even stand men's privates without freaking out. I really hate being label gay, hated and push away because I don't want some man for a relationship. I just feel a special bond with girls, not really sexual more emotional. After being around men long enough, I don't think I can be with one forever. But I do need someone to share my life with, being alone is lonely especially when you don't got a loving enough family. To the people who hates gays, we aren't any different then straight people, we cry, we get lonely, some of us even believing in GOD. We should ditch labels and see people as people.

 

[GenemZ]

To the people who hates gays, we aren't any different then straight people, we cry, we get lonely, some of us even believing in GOD. We should ditch labels and see people as people.

Romans 3:23 niv
"For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

gz

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[thenewageriseth]

Hello? Anyone listening? O_O She said she can't stand men's privates...it seems as though men have hurt her...I can't blame her for saying this because I used to be scared of that kinda stuff myself...plz don't judge

 

[Mling]

Hello? Anyone listening? O_O She said she can't stand men's privates...it seems as though men have hurt her...I can't blame her for saying this because I used to be scared of that kinda stuff myself...plz don't judge

I considered that thought, but...I'm not sure a public forum is really the best place to start such a conversation.

Besides, men's genitals are pretty weird. I mean, it's like there was a whole person, and God had this extra handful of flesh left over.

"Huh, wonder what I should do with this..."
*fling*
*splat*
"I suppose that's as good a spot as any."

I guess it's the lack of bones that strikes me as strange (no bad jokes, please!) Like the "extra parts" are trying to be an appendage, and failing, due to lack of internal support. Unnerving...

 

[ReformedChapin]

What the heck are you people talking about?

@_@

 

[GenemZ]

Hello? Anyone listening? O_O She said she can't stand men's privates...it seems as though men have hurt her...I can't blame her for saying this because I used to be scared of that kinda stuff myself...plz don't judge

Song of Solomon 8:4 niv
"Daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you: Do not arouse or awaken love until it so desires."
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Sex is not love. If we try to arouse and awaken love when its not desiring, we form distorted views on what God intended sex to be for.

Homosexuality becomes a mutual, self pity bondage. It all began in the beginning with sex for pleasure, and over time became a desire to comfort one's self pity and emptiness. No idea what love is about. Yet, they think they do. Love is not desire. Love is fulfilled desire in righteousness.

I have known gays. Those who wanted a relationship, I quietly watched and observed. They are being robbed of God's glory given to mankind. They think their lack of happiness is psychological. Its spiritual. They have cut themselves off.

In Christ, GeneZ
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