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Why are there still apes?

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And remember, they're known for beating their women over the head with a club, dragging them home by their hair, and having them cook and have children.






Well saying we evolved out of that is pretty much an insult then isn't it?
 
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You know that the really good thing about all of this is whenever I start doubting my faith, or other people cause me to,.. I just realize how much stronger my faith in Jesus is than compared to this crazy cartoon.
 
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Anything over the internet isn't evidence to me,.. it's hearsay.
Have you ever opened any textbook on any subject? let's say archaeology? Have you then repeated the findings of the authors or did you went with what they found? So is that not "hearsay' too?
 
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Truthfully,.. it's hard for me to take anything gospel unless there are tons of evidence that it is fact,.. and I never trust the media one hundred percent.
Do you accept the four gospels as evidence without a ton of facts?

Because believe me, they aint got a ton of facts.
 
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I'm not saying that I have a problem with evolution in general. I'm saying that I have a problem with a select few apes singing around the campfire, and grilling, and whatever the heck the OP was talking about.
What if those apes are halfway between a human and what you would call an ape. Do you have a problem with them sitting around the campfire and singing?

I always thought a movie on homo erectus would be a great idea. It could be complete with adultery, murder, revenge, relationship building, romance, fireside fun, treachery, trust, struggles to organize the group, socializing, a skilled hunting expedition, and all the other things that could make for an intriguing movie.
 
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Let's see:

What do these three have in common: library at the University of Pennsylvania, public library in Philadelphia, kindergarten section of the local library?

Answer: academia.
What are you getting at? When I mentioned the University of Pennsylvania library, you suggested it could not be trusted. Are you saying that all libraries are equally untrustworthy?

Suppose I wanted to learn about the fossil evidence. Where do you suggest I go?
 
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What if those apes are halfway between a human and what you would call an ape. Do you have a problem with them sitting around the campfire and singing?






No, but I don't believe that they evolved out of apes directly.
 
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This is your second lengthy reply, with a lot of repetition. I will not address everything, but I will hit a few highlights.

First, you seem to think cognition is all or nothing, that one either has it or he doesn't. That is not true. Many animals have minimal levels of cognitive brain function.

The skulls of the earliest hominids we find show evidence of increased cognitive power. They are nowhere close to homo sapiens in brain power.

You also seem to have difficulty understanding the problems with having increased brainpower. Every mother can tell you that it is not easy getting a baby's head down the birth canal. So even if you are God, you cannot simply decide that the next primate to be born will have a full sized human head. The mother who tries to deliver that baby will curse your holy name. So you need a way of getting increased cognitive brainpower, while having mercy on the mothers.

Evolution came up with two tricks to do this. First, it sacrificed some of the sensory portions of the brain to have more cognitive functions. Scientists know this because they have examined the skulls of our ancestors.

There is a downside--animals need their senses.

The second trick is to allow the brain to increase in size after birth. Again, evidence shows this in our ancestors.

Again, there is a downside. This process involves a prolonged infancy where the child is helpless.

But in early hominids, there were enough of advantages to increased cognitive ability that natural selection favored these changes. It was a tradeoff, but it was worth it. For other primates, these changes were not worth it.

Also, you don't seem to recognize the resource needs of the enlarged brain. If a monkey suddenly gave birth to a monkey with a human brain, what good is that? This brain is going to require an immense amount of energy. If there is nobody around to communicate with her, if there is nobody to teach her to make a fire, make a hand axe, or organize a hunting expedition, what is she going to do with a human brain? She is going to eat like a carnivore, and add little to the community. How is she going to get all the meat she craves?

But if evolution is allowed to proceed in a slow path, with the body, brain, and available technologies all developing within a community of hominids, the result is, uh, us!
 
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No, but I don't believe that they evolved out of apes directly.
Then why is it that scientists have found a long series of fossils between ape and man?
 
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No, but I don't believe that they evolved out of apes directly.
Understood, but what problem do you have with a bunch of half-ape people partying around a campfire as they cook a pig? That is no more offbeat than a lot of science fiction movies out there.
 
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