Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.
Wow - how can you possibly believe that poverty is not a significant determinant of emotional state? Yes, it is possible to be poor and strong emotionally, but there is no question that poverty creates emotional stress.Statistics related to poverty & crime do not measure the emotional state of people, nor do these factors determine the emotional state of people.
This is an interesting point. I politely suggest that the notion that morals in the past were better is, for the most part, a myth. Do you realize how poorly women were treated in the past? How much more common slavery and violence was? How poorly animals were treated?A society that is rapidly discarding the values and morals of the past is reaping evil consequences in the lives of many people.
In essence, though many short-sighted individuals erroneously conflate short-term pleasure with long-term happiness, which is where many unskillful activities originate.So life is just about the pursuit of happiness?
My ultimate source is myself, and observations of my own activity.Blessed are the poor ,blessed are the desperate, blessed are you when men speak evil against you.
We would not, and do not, naturally think that way, which is why we need an ultimate source to show us, what good and evil truly is, otherwise we end up with this new age nonsense.
I have not seen and not heard and hence I do not believe your god exists apart from in many different flavours within the minds of people who take great pride in having not seen, not heard and yet still believing.Sure you do. Failing to worship and obey God, failing to praise Him shows the condition of your rebel heart.
This is quite often the problem when discussing things in some contexts with some Christians.Not sure how well you understand Christian theology but being evil in the sight of God is related to believing (John 3:19-21). It doesn't necessarily mean you are an evil person in the secular sense.
Yes, But all rebellion is against God who is the creator.One cannot rebel against that which does not exist.
Indeed, one cannot rebel against that which one does not believe exists, even if it actually does exists.
Your god doesn't exist. I am not in rebellion to your non-existent god. And, the bible is wrong.Tinker Grey,
Hello TG
Yes, But all rebellion is against God who is the creator.
You living in creation breathing God's air and failing to worship and obey Him is rebellion.
people do this all the time until the last day. then this;
11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
The problem is we are born guilty already In Adam.I have not seen and not heard and hence I do not believe your god exists apart from in many different flavours within the minds of people who take great pride in having not seen, not heard and yet still believing.
How can I obey something that I have never seen nor heard nor read anything written by such an "authority"?
My heart pumps warm blood, it does not know how to rebel against anything.
There was no Adam. No one will be saved regardless of what one believes. There is neither anything to be saved from nor anything to be saved for.The problem is we are born guilty already In Adam.
We are to live perfectly before God and we cannot do it.
God himself came to earth to live the perfect life required at the judgment.
Everyone who will believe will be saved.
Not everyone will believe. Multitudes will.
Your god doesn't exist. I am not in rebellion to your non-existent god. And, the bible is wrong.
Now you are free to rebel, and yet scripture describes you like this;There was no Adam. No one will be saved regardless of what one believes. There is neither anything to be saved from nor anything to be saved for.
Your sin and unbelief are a product of the first Adam. Deny what you will, but you are going the way of all flesh.There was no Adam. No one will be saved regardless of what one believes. There is neither anything to be saved from nor anything to be saved for.
Said ever cult leader ever.Not to you. A blind man can say the sun does not exist, but if he stays in the sun too long, he will get burnt despite his fruitless denial. If you do not repent and believe the gospel, you will find yourself being cast into the second death with others who denied that
Now you are free to rebel, and yet scripture describes you like this;
Psalm 14 King James Version (KJV)
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.
3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
psalm50:
16 But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
17 Seeing thou hatest instruction, and casteth my words behind thee.
18 When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.
19 Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
20 Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son.
21 These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.
22 Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.
23 Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.
Then it's god's fault. Lovely being you worship.Your sin and unbelief are a product of the first Adam. Deny what you will, but you are going the way of all flesh.
You cannot believe unless God enables you too.
I don't believe in any of that. There was no first human, no Adam, no Eve.The problem is we are born guilty already In Adam.
We are to live perfectly before God and we cannot do it.
God himself came to earth to live the perfect life required at the judgment.
Everyone who will believe will be saved.
Not everyone will believe. Multitudes will.
Every Christian quotes this verse as it is certain.Said ever cult leader ever.
God says you are a fool, not me.For those just tuning in, my points are these: 1) don't pretend you are honestly engaging in conversation when all you present are assertions from your theology. There is a Christians Only section on this forum for that. 2) Don't assert parts of your mythology as fact and expect no response. 3) Don't tell me that your holy book calls me an idiot. This is not even remotely persuasive. It is insulting. Surely a loving god will call you out for this nonsense on your judgement day. Turn in your witnessing badge. ("Shucks. Only two days till retirement.") ETA: 4) If you present nothing but assertions, expect a response of assertions. Or, to use Hitchen's razor, that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.
Wow, what a terrible way to live.In essence, though many short-sighted individuals erroneously conflate short-term pleasure with long-term happiness, which is where many unskillful activities originate.
My ultimate source is myself, and observations of my own activity.
Can you name one activity that you engage in that is not done to increase sukha and/or decrease dukkha?
When you "do something for some one else", do you not gain an increased measure of sukha/satisfaction from that act, for yourself?Wow, what a terrible way to live.
Most every time I do something for some one else it is not done to pursue happiness. And honestly, many things in life are done from necessity, just to survive. I don't work for money or happiness, but because I know it's all ultimately about God and his glory, I can do it all with contentment. When I forget that, it's just chasing the wind.
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?
We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:
Do you accept cookies and these technologies?