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Thanks for the red herring. I'm pretty sure we're talking about the Christian God in this recent exchange. So when atheists respond with the problem of evil when talking about the Christian god, they are making the positive assertive claim that the Christian god does not exist. They are not simply stating that "they see no reason to believe there is a God" as bhsmte put it.
I see you avoided answering the question. Would you assert that the existence of evil is incompatible with the existence of the Christian god?
To clarify again, as I did for hammer of Thor, I believe this recent exchange (between Colter and bhsmte) happens to be concerning, not just any ole god, but specifically the Christian God.
So to you then. Do you believe that the existence of evil is incompatible with the existence of the Christian god?
Atheists claim there is no God? Well, very few atheists make this claim...
I'd like to test this out with you by looking at the so-called problem of evil.
It basically goes like this:
1. An all-powerful God could prevent evil from existing.
2. An all-loving God would prevent evil from existing.
3. Evil exists.
4. Therefore, an all-powerful all-loving God does not exist.
Do you believe this is a valid argument, or would you concede that the existence of evil is compatible with the existence of an all-powerful all-loving God?
I mean, not that I want them gone, but it just seems strange to me that so many atheists would choose to spend their time and eergy on a site that is antithetical to their worldview. The interesting thing to me is that they don't seem to be here to proselytize, which would make sense to me. I assume that they, or many of them anyway, feela sense of community here if they've been here for a while. So, if not to show the poor theist the freedom of atheism, what is the draw?
It puts us as odds with your religion, not science or the type of reality that is accepted by all people, and I'm perfectly content with that.On this first experiential world created by God, atheist claim there is no God. That puts them at odds with reality
Huh? Don't most Christians believe that atheists can be "saved?" Lost sheep, and all that.ultimatly unreal for there is no salvageable soul growing within them.
It puts us as odds with your religion, not science or the type of reality that is accepted by all people, and I'm perfectly content with that.
Huh? Don't most Christians believe that atheists can be "saved?" Lost sheep, and all that.
I mean, not that I want them gone, but it just seems strange to me that so many atheists would choose to spend their time and eergy on a site that is antithetical to their worldview. The interesting thing to me is that they don't seem to be here to proselytize, which would make sense to me. I assume that they, or many of them anyway, feela sense of community here if they've been here for a while. So, if not to show the poor theist the freedom of atheism, what is the draw?
You're equivocating. The claim you purport to be testing is that "Atheists claim there is no God." Yet you are actually testing a claim about the existence of an all-powerful, all-loving God. By the end of this paragraph then, the meaning has shifted from "no God" to "no all-powerful, all-loving God." Is this sleight of hand deliberate?
I think it's good that Atheist are on here, remember healthy people don't need doctors.
Firstly, I was once a non believer and no one could tell me any different. That's through ignorance and pride and the idea that I was backing down. However, one thing to know is, when we walk on the street and we see a beautiful painting, WE KNOW IT WAS PAINTED BY A PAINTER. but we cannot see the painter. So we know God exist because he gave us creation.
Simple, most Atheist are atheist because of ignorance and probably because no one has really sat down and explained or because they haven't tried to find out for Themself.
So I think they should stay. They owe it to themself. Look at the difference most atheist are angry... They are judge mental, they are rude they are hostile.
Because atheists like to crash the party....filling the fruit punch with all that hard stuff, lol, leading them Christians astray!!! I'm not an atheist but I joined to better understand what makes folk tick, its been interesting, and the atheist POV has been invaluable, so I'll raise my glass of the hard stuff, cheers.
Science isn't a God, it's mind discerning, correlating and interpreting the facts of the material world.
Science doesn't carry man beyond the grave.
The embrace of ultimate meaningless of life beyond the grave is
However, one thing to know is, when we walk on the street and we see a beautiful painting, WE KNOW IT WAS PAINTED BY A PAINTER.
Who don't want to believe is because Satan has blinded the mind of unbelievers.
Why do some believers feel the need to pathologise nonbelief?
Who don't want to believe is because Satan has blinded the mind of unbelievers.
I think what may get overlooked, is that in some ways it's only natural for a believer to view others as having personally failed to not come to the same conclusions they have come to, or believe the same way they believe, because viewing themselves as personal failures is often a key component to their own belief system ... i.e. "I'm a sinner in need of transformation and saving."Since there's no actual arguments for faith, I find that believers often attribute personal failings to people who disagree with them. Could be a way to rationalize to themselves that their guessing is correct while everyone else who uses the exact same method to come to a different answer must be incorrect.
Excuse me for pointing out the obvious; those folks who feel they have to label others as being guided by Satan, who disagree with them.
It is what it is.
Who sounds more reasonable?
The person who says "I don't know." Or the person who says "I know for a fact that this is true but I have absolutely no way to prove it to you and if you don't believe me, then you are blinded by an evil, invisible entity who is trying to confuse you."?
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