Why are there no cows in the Devonian?

[PsychoSarah]

That still doesn't make sense, monkeys and apes and chimps and orangutans and whatever are still alive today.

And human intelligence is still not explained very well.

We didn't come from a chimp species that lives today. Theoretically speaking, the ancestor that gave rise to both apes and humans probably had characteristics of both of its descendants. Based on fossils and DNA evidence, a creature such of this would have had a brain more resembling a chimpanzee, but would have walked upright as humans do. Interestingly, walking upright appears earlier than intelligence does.

The brain is the least understood organ in the human body. It is hard to understand how it could have evolved when we do not completely understand the workings of a modern brain. We can, however, trace the evolution of other features and organs much better, because we know their function and how they work much better. Evolution explains why humans have an appendix, which has never had a function in Homo sapiens, but does serve one in other apes.

 

[Black Akuma]

Well of course people have been debating this topic since forever. It is always like this in a debate. In fact it gets a little boring. But, at least I'm Learning.

No , you're not.

 

[Loudmouth]

Possibly I could say the same for you. Evolution is just as much as a religion as any other religion out there.

No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't become true.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

We have the scientific evidence supporting evolution. It isn't a religion.

What does an evolutionists have to lose to believe that there is an Intelligent Creator who created everything in our present day? What do you have to lose?

We would have to throw the scientific method out the window, for starters.

 

[Loudmouth]

Well of course people have been debating this topic since forever.

That debate ended a long time ago within the sciences. The only people who reject the theory of evolution are those driven by their religious beliefs.

 

[anyathesword]

You ignore the possibility of believing in both. While I do not say I believe it, I entertain the possibility of an outside intelligent being putting life on earth. I just don't think it would be the same as what is word for word in the bible, because I don't think any creator had a role in the writing of that, or any other religious text. It is the bible I reject, not god. I am just unsure about the god part.

God inspired the Bible, The Bible is God, but in written form. Whatever God said, it was written down.

God said, God spoke, Jesus said, etc. It is His exact words written by people He chose to write down His words.

This inspiration ended with Jesus in the book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible. Any other "religious" book is false and is NOT the inspiration or words of God, PERIOD! ONLY the 66 books of the Bible, the OLD and NEW TESTAMENTS.

The Bible makes the biggest, and direct claim, that is the TRUTH, period. There is no maybe, a little here, a little there, NO! It is THE TRUTH, no exceptions. It is completely accurate.

Prophecies (foretelling of the future such as the coming of Jesus to earth) have ALL been fulfilled!! That means they all happened like they said it would!! The prophecies in Revelation (the last book) are yet still to come.

This book is the oldest written record out there. It has survived thousands of years, people have been trying to destroy this book endlessly, but it still STANDS!!


This said, whatever the Bible said of Creation week and the Flood, and how it happened, it's how it happened PERIOD!

There is no mention of evolution in Genesis or anywhere in the Bible. God created and He worked through miracles.

Would you like me to do a thread in the christian section about the Bible?

 

[PsychoSarah]

That debate ended a long time ago within the sciences. The only people who reject the theory of evolution are those driven by their religious beliefs.

We are debating it right now. Just because you personally think that evolution has been conclusively proven doesn't mean that everyone else agrees. I could debate that invisible pink unicorns exist. Debate is an action that can occur even when one side or the other has been proven wrong, and that isn't necessarily the case here.

 

[bhsmte]

I as a believer of God and Jesus will NEVER say that the Bible is wrong, that Creationism is wrong, that the Intelligent Creator doesn't exist.

I stand on a solid rock, what do you stand on? Changing theories, decieving scientists, fraud, déceptions, biases, etc?

Science is one thing, evolution is another. It is a RELIGION that has seeped into society.

Yes, religion has seeped into society. Does that mean a particular religion is correct? I don't think so, but you can if you like.

Take a look at the world and religious belief and you will see the majority of the population are not christians and they are praying to the wrong God. According to christian dogma, they are all going to suffer in eternal torment. Does that sound like the; all loving, all caring God who loves all his creation?

Also, belief in God in general, has declined throughout the world, especially in the countries were education is high. Some countries now have over half of their population not believing in God and this is growing as education about science is available.

 

[anyathesword]

That debate ended a long time ago within the sciences. The only people who reject the theory of evolution are those driven by their religious beliefs.

Evolution is a religious belief.

 

[Black Akuma]

Prophecies (foretelling of the future such as the coming of Jesus to earth) have ALL been fulfilled!! That means they all happened like they said it would!! The prophecies in Revelation (the last book) are yet still to come.

Do you actually think about the things you write before you write them?

 

[46AND2]

Being objective, one could conclude nothing, because neither creationism nor evolution have been proven or disproven conclusively. The objective conclusion is "I don't know".

Hence my qualifier for "finding truth."

Evolution has been objectively verified, however...just not all the mechanisms. At least to the point that rocks exist, or we exist. There are philosophical arguments against even these, of course, but...

 

[Black Akuma]

Evolution is a religious belief.

Beef is a vegetable.

Star Wars is an nonfiction book.

Alexander Dumas wrote the Canterbury Tales.

Your picture makes you look intelligent.

See? I can say completely inaccurate things, too.

 

[PsychoSarah]

God inspired the Bible, The Bible is God, but in written form. Whatever God said, it was written down.

God said, God spoke, Jesus said, etc. It is His exact words written by people He chose to write down His words.

This inspiration ended with Jesus in the book of Revelation, the last book of the Bible. Any other "religious" book is false and is NOT the inspiration or words of God, PERIOD! ONLY the 66 books of the Bible, the OLD and NEW TESTAMENTS.

The Bible makes the biggest, and direct claim, that is the TRUTH, period. There is no maybe, a little here, a little there, NO! It is THE TRUTH, no exceptions. It is completely accurate.

Prophecies (foretelling of the future such as the coming of Jesus to earth) have ALL been fulfilled!! That means they all happened like they said it would!! The prophecies in Revelation (the last book) are yet still to come.

This book is the oldest written record out there. It has survived thousands of years, people have been trying to destroy this book endlessly, but it still STANDS!!


This said, whatever the Bible said of Creation week and the Flood, and how it happened, it's how it happened PERIOD!

There is no mention of evolution in Genesis or anywhere in the Bible. God created and He worked through miracles.

Would you like me to do a thread in the christian section about the Bible?

Those prophecies were written at the same time as the account of them being fulfilled. It would be like saying at the beginning of a book that someone dies, and being amazed that the book said it happened. Also, the bible had human authors, who could have had a number of reasons for believing that god spoke to them without it actually being true. Schizophrenia, is a classic example. They would have heard voices in their head. To a schizophrenic person, it would have been as real as someone speaking out loud to them. These voices can be surprisingly articulate and have complete personalities to the people that hear, or even see them. Since, at the time, people were not aware of schizophrenia, they assumed these voices were god. You cannot prove this isn't the case.

 

[Loudmouth]

Evolution is a religious belief.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: The Scientific Case for Common Descent

Evolution is a science, and I have the evidence to back it up.

 

[Delphiki]

Evolution is a religious belief.

Gravity is a religious belief.

 

[Loudmouth]

We are debating it right now.

Yes, we are debating evolution with non-scientists who reject evolution because of their religious beliefs.

If you go to a scientific conference or read the scientific literature, evolution is not debated. The evidence is overwhelming.

Just because you personally think that evolution has been conclusively proven doesn't mean that everyone else agrees.

Not me, personally. We are talking about 99.9+% of biologists who work in the sciences. Evolution isn't debated within the arena of science because it is supported by mountains of evidence.

The only reason that evolution is debated is because people don't want it to be true.

 

[bhsmte]

Evolution is a religious belief.

The temporary comfort you obtain from trying to convince yourself of this, will only cause more internal conflict down the road. It's the equivalent of putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound.

 

[Queller]

Not one evolutionist said that's a good point, I was wrong, I'll read up on that.

Quite a comment coming from you. I read quite a bit about your claims about the Great Pyramid of Giza (height, location, etc.). When I came back with evidence showing your claims were wrong you refused to discuss my evidence or even acknowledge that you would look into it further.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, we are debating evolution with non-scientists who reject evolution because of their religious beliefs.

If you go to a scientific conference or read the scientific literature, evolution is not debated. The evidence is overwhelming.



Not me, personally. We are talking about 99.9+% of biologists who work in the sciences. Evolution isn't debated within the arena of science because it is supported by mountains of evidence.

The only reason that evolution is debated is because people don't want it to be true.

I would agree, the evidence is growing by the day to support evolution and no scientist, in 150 years, has been able to provide evidence against the theory. I have posted this link before, but will do it again. We have much more than fossil evidence for evolution. The DNA evidence as described by Francis Collins, who is a DEVOUT CHRISTIAN and former head of the human genome project summarizes what he sees in the evidence quite well:

Francis Collins: The evidence is overwhelming. And it is becoming more and more robust down to the details almost by the day, especially because we have this ability now to use the study of DNA as a digital record of the way Darwin’s theory has played out over the course of long periods of time.
Darwin could hardly have imagined that there would turn out to be such strong proof of his theory because he didn’t know about DNA - but we have that information. I would say we are as solid in claiming the truth of evolution as we are in claiming the truth of the germ theory. It is so profoundly well-documented in multiple different perspectives, all of which give you a consistent view with enormous explanatory power that make it the central core of biology. Trying to do biology without evolution would be like trying to do physics without mathematics

Francis Collins and Karl Giberson Talk about Evolution and the Church, Part 2 | The BioLogos Forum

 

[FredHoyle]

That still doesn't make sense, monkeys and apes and chimps and orangutans and whatever are still alive today.

And human intelligence is still not explained very well.

As I said before, if you're happy believing as you do then by all means carry on, one day hopefully something will click in your head or someone will say something to you and a light will go on and you will realise you have been wrong,
just because you don't agree with or understand something does not make it wrong, I don't know how a TV works but I know that it does.

Please don't come back and say that you could say the same thing to me because you can't anymore than a thousand other different religions could say I was wrong.

Evolution is a fact even though you don't want it to be, what you or I want to be true means nothing to the fact.

I truly wish you well and I hope you escape from your delusions before too long, the medicines you take rely on evolution when they are made, when a virus evolves so the medicines must be made to take it's evolution into account.

Your lack of education regarding evolution was not your fault, if however you continue to use that fact to continue to believe as you do it will be your fault.

 

[anyathesword]

Yes, religion has seeped into society. Does that mean a particular religion is correct? I don't think so, but you can if you like.

Take a look at the world and religious belief and you will see the majority of the population are not christians and they are praying to the wrong God. According to christian dogma, they are all going to suffer in eternal torment. Does that sound like the; all loving, all caring God who loves all his creation?

Also, belief in God in general, has declined throughout the world, especially in the countries were education is high. Some countries now have over half of their population not believing in God and this is growing as education about science is available.

This is your answer to why:

Romans 16:17-18
I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive.




Matthew 7:13-14 (I chose the Message version for you to understand easier)
Being and Doing

“Don’t look for shortcuts to God. The market is flooded with surefire, easygoing formulas for a successful life that can be practiced in your spare time. Don’t fall for that stuff, even though crowds of people do. The way to life—to God!—is vigorous and requires total attention.

It's just saying many people will find the easy way, the WIDE road, and few will find the narrow road and that leads to Jesus.