Why are there no cows in the Devonian?

[Delphiki]

There was a very interesting experiment performed where a scientist made a model of a possible early earth, complete with what chemicals the land and water could have possibly contained. Then, he sent electricity through it, imitating a lightning strike. To his surprise, amino acids, the proteins that make up DNA, began to form circular, almost bacteria-like structures. Now, this was far from creating life, but it does present some interesting possibilities.

Miller–Urey experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bhsmte]

If many have wisdom, that directly contradicts what you said here:

One does not mean many in any dictionary in the world (well except maybe YOUR dictionary).

It is quite common for a person to contradict oneself when they are scrambling to defend something which is based on myth and not evidence. When you have no factual foundation you are working from, things get a little out of sorts when you are asked simple questions.

This thread, is one of the best examples of making it up as I go along I have yet seen on CF.

Cognitive dissonance is in full force on this thread and those unpleasant feelings are motivating the scrambling. None of the creationists on this thread are going to say; hey, you have a point there, or, I was wrong about that and will read up on that point. It will never happen, they are in too deep and they will never acknowledge on this board, they could have been wrong about anything, or what they are claiming is not backed by evidence or even makes any bit of logic.

When they are away from this board on their own, some of them will ponder to themselves and first, only admit to themselves, they have a lot to learn about reality.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sorry, Hominoids, which includes a bunch of apes, includes humans

 

[Mr Strawberry]

Whatever do you mean?

I think you upset him, Hitchslap.

 

[bhsmte]

I think you upset him, Hitchslap.

Could have been created by some inner conflict, based on the information in this thread.

Cognitive Dissonance Theory - Simply Psychology

 

[46AND2]

It is quite common for a person to contradict oneself when they are scrambling to defend something which is based on myth and not evidence. When you have no factual foundation you are working from, things get a little out of sorts when you are asked simple questions.

This thread, is one of the best examples of making it up as I go along I have yet seen on CF.

Cognitive dissonance is in full force on this thread and those unpleasant feelings are motivating the scrambling. None of the creationists on this thread are going to say; hey, you have a point there, or, I was wrong about that and will read up on that point. It will never happen, they are in too deep and they will never acknowledge on this board, they could have been wrong about anything, or what they are claiming is not backed by evidence or even makes any bit of logic.

When they are away from this board on their own, some of them will ponder to themselves and first, only admit to themselves, they have a lot to learn about reality.

I missed out on learning a lot of cool science in school, growing up, because I avoided anything to do with evolution and deep time.

Fortunately, I realized that the only way to come to truth, or as near to it as we can, is through objectivity. When one summarily ignores an entire data set, how can they claim an informed conclusion?

 

[PsychoSarah]

I missed out on learning a lot of cool science in school, growing up, because I avoided anything to do with evolution and deep time.

Fortunately, I realized that the only way to come to truth, or as near to it as we can, is through objectivity. When one summarily ignores an entire data set, how can they claim an informed conclusion?

Being objective, one could conclude nothing, because neither creationism nor evolution have been proven or disproven conclusively. The objective conclusion is "I don't know".

 

[bhsmte]

I missed out on learning a lot of cool science in school, growing up, because I avoided anything to do with evolution and deep time.

Fortunately, I realized that the only way to come to truth, or as near to it as we can, is through objectivity. When one summarily ignores an entire data set, how can they claim an informed conclusion?

Well, if one is in a psychological state where their current belief is more important than being open to learning through objectivity, what you see on this board is what you get. Some are at the stage, where it is far to painful to acknowledge information (no matter how objective and powerful) that goes against their belief. So, they either ignore the information, or they attempt to discredit the information; all a conspiracy against christianity, anything that doesn't agree with the bible is evil, etc. etc..

Only on their own time and place, will some have honest thoughts to themselves, that they need to look at things a bit differently and what they see on this board may help that process, but, many never get to that point and just dig in even further, away from objectivity. And, you will almost never see them admit on this board, they are even contemplating that they may be wrong about their belief.

 

[anyathesword]

It is quite common for a person to contradict oneself when they are scrambling to defend something which is based on myth and not evidence. When you have no factual foundation you are working from, things get a little out of sorts when you are asked simple questions.

This thread, is one of the best examples of making it up as I go along I have yet seen on CF.

Cognitive dissonance is in full force on this thread and those unpleasant feelings are motivating the scrambling. None of the creationists on this thread are going to say; hey, you have a point there, or, I was wrong about that and will read up on that point. It will never happen, they are in too deep and they will never acknowledge on this board, they could have been wrong about anything, or what they are claiming is not backed by evidence or even makes any bit of logic.

When they are away from this board on their own, some of them will ponder to themselves and first, only admit to themselves, they have a lot to learn about reality.

Possibly I could say the same for you. Evolution is just as much as a religion as any other religion out there. Not one evolutionist said that's a good point, I was wrong, I'll read up on that. Not one evolutionist will acknowledge that he was wrong about anything, or what they claim is not backed up by evidence or even makes any bit of logic.

When they are away from this board on their own, they will admit to themselves how much they have been decieved into believing they came from monkeys and single celled bacteria. Like The Creator didn't really care to make you special, naww.

What does an evolutionists have to lose to believe that there is an Intelligent Creator who created everything in our present day? What do you have to lose?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Possibly I could say the same for you. Evolution is just as much as a religion as any other religion out there. Not one evolutionist said that's a good point, I was wrong, I'll read up on that. Not one evolutionist will acknowledge that he was wrong about anything, or what they claim is not backed up by evidence or even makes any bit of logic.

When they are away from this board on their own, they will admit to themselves how much they have been decieved into believing they came from monkeys and single celled bacteria. Like The Creator didn't really care to make you special, naww.

What does an evolutionists have to lose to believe that there is an Intelligent Creator who created everything in our present day? What do you have to lose?

We didn't come from monkeys exactly, we just share a common ancestor with them. You have to understand that we did not come from a currently living creature. It would be like saying you came from your cousin.

 

[anyathesword]

Well, if one is in a psychological state where their current belief is more important than being open to learning through objectivity, what you see on this board is what you get. Some are at the stage, where it is far to painful to acknowledge information (no matter how objective and powerful) that goes against their belief. So, they either ignore the information, or they attempt to discredit the information; all a conspiracy against christianity, anything that doesn't agree with the bible is evil, etc. etc..

Only on their own time and place, will some have honest thoughts to themselves, that they need to look at things a bit differently and what they see on this board may help that process, but, many never get to that point and just dig in even further, away from objectivity. And, you will almost never see them admit on this board, they are even contemplating that they may be wrong about their belief.

I as a believer of God and Jesus will NEVER say that the Bible is wrong, that Creationism is wrong, that the Intelligent Creator doesn't exist.

I stand on a solid rock, what do you stand on? Changing theories, decieving scientists, fraud, déceptions, biases, etc?

Science is one thing, evolution is another. It is a RELIGION that has seeped into society.

 

[PsychoSarah]

What does an evolutionists have to lose to believe that there is an Intelligent Creator who created everything in our present day? What do you have to lose?

You ignore the possibility of believing in both. While I do not say I believe it, I entertain the possibility of an outside intelligent being putting life on earth. I just don't think it would be the same as what is word for word in the bible, because I don't think any creator had a role in the writing of that, or any other religious text. It is the bible I reject, not god. I am just unsure about the god part.

 

[Black Akuma]

Not one evolutionist said that's a good point, I was wrong, I'll read up on that.

Maybe because you haven't made any good points. You haven't brought much new to the table; most of the stuff you said is just word for word regurgitation of stuff I've seen dozens of times. I honestly don't think you even understood most of it yourself.

When they are away from this board on their own, they will admit to themselves how much they have been decieved into believing they came from monkeys and single celled bacteria.

I could say you do all sorts of things about you, what you probably do when you're not on this board...but I'm not, because I'm not an obnoxious twit.

What does an evolutionists have to lose to believe that there is an Intelligent Creator who created everything in our present day?

Many evolutionists do believe that.

 

[anyathesword]

We didn't come from monkeys exactly, we just share a common ancestor with them. You have to understand that we did not come from a currently living creature. It would be like saying you came from your cousin.

That still doesn't make sense, monkeys and apes and chimps and orangutans and whatever are still alive today.

And human intelligence is still not explained very well.

 

[Black Akuma]

That still doesn't make sense, monkeys and apes and chimps and orangutans and whatever are still alive today.

And human intelligence is still not explained very well.

Do you at least accept that domesticated dogs came from wolves? And that wolves are around today?

It's the same concept.

 

[Delphiki]

I as a believer of God and Jesus will NEVER say that the Bible is wrong, that Creationism is wrong, that the Intelligent Creator doesn't exist.

I stand on a solid rock, what do you stand on? Changing theories, decieving scientists, fraud, déceptions, biases, etc?

Science is one thing, evolution is another. It is a RELIGION that has seeped into society.

If you want to see the fallacy in your arguments, we should replace "evolution" with another well-known scientific theory.

Science is one thing, gravity is another. It is a RELIGION that has seeped into society.

The religion of gravity, in front of your face.

 

[Delphiki]

And human intelligence is still not explained very well.

Well, it's certainly not evident in all specimens, that's for sure.

 

[anyathesword]

Maybe because you haven't made any good points. You haven't brought much new to the table; most of the stuff you said is just word for word regurgitation of stuff I've seen dozens of times. I honestly don't think you even understood most of it yourself.



I could say you do all sorts of things about you, what you probably do when you're not on this board...but I'm not, because I'm not an obnoxious twit.



Maybe evolutionists do believe that.

What are you talking about? All sorts of things about me?

Well of course people have been debating this topic since forever. It is always like this in a debate. In fact it gets a little boring. But, at least I'm Learning.

Maybe, but do they? I think not!!

 

[bhsmte]

Possibly I could say the same for you. Evolution is just as much as a religion as any other religion out there. Not one evolutionist said that's a good point, I was wrong, I'll read up on that. Not one evolutionist will acknowledge that he was wrong about anything, or what they claim is not backed up by evidence or even makes any bit of logic.

When they are away from this board on their own, they will admit to themselves how much they have been decieved into believing they came from monkeys and single celled bacteria. Like The Creator didn't really care to make you special, naww.

What does an evolutionists have to lose to believe that there is an Intelligent Creator who created everything in our present day? What do you have to lose?

This response is what I would have expected from you, anyathesword, but let me clarify my position:

I am atheist towards the christian God, because even though I used to be a christian, I came to realize, the description of the christian God in the bible, can not be reconciled with the reality of the world. To me, the existence of the christian God is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY, but I will admit, I could be wrong, but I am basing me position on examining the bible, realities of our world and scientific discoveries.

I am also agnostic towards a universal God, the God that Einstein left the door open to. A God who is not personal, does not answer prayers and does not interact with human life or earth. I still don't see any evidence of this God, but the likelihood of this God existing, is far greater than the christian God.

You see, the problem for christians is, even if an intelligent creator got everything started in regards to the universe and life, christians still would have to show this creator was the christian God and not some other God; Zeus, Thor or Einstein's thought of a universal God who is nothing like the christian God.

Could I be wrong in supporting the theory of evolution? Sure, it is possible that it is discovered the theory is wrong, but the objective evidence is so powerful and that evidence keeps growing by leaps and bounds with DNA evidence, that I see no logical reason to doubt the theory. If new information comes along that is objective and empirical, I could change my mind, just as I changed my mind already, about christianity, based on investigation and evidence.

I have no problem admitting I am wrong, or changing my mind, just bring on the evidence to support it. Can you say the same?

 

[46AND2]

Possibly I could say the same for you. Evolution is just as much as a religion as any other religion out there. Not one evolutionist said that's a good point, I was wrong, I'll read up on that. Not one evolutionist will acknowledge that he was wrong about anything, or what they claim is not backed up by evidence or even makes any bit of logic.

When they are away from this board on their own, they will admit to themselves how much they have been decieved into believing they came from monkeys and single celled bacteria. Like The Creator didn't really care to make you special, naww.

What does an evolutionists have to lose to believe that there is an Intelligent Creator who created everything in our present day? What do you have to lose?

Why do you assume we have not considered your points? Heck, I used to be a YEC. What do you think is your ONE BEST argument for a young earth? I guarantee you I have considered it, and I'll explain to you why I rejected it.