Why are there no cows in the Devonian?

[CabVet]

I'm sure it is.

Anything to dupe the public.

Oh, my.

Congratulations.

I can post photos of LAX and show there are no planes on the runway.

Then I can dupe the public into thinking there are no planes at LAX -- (or at least try).

Are you deliberately trying to get me to lower to your level and insult you so that you can claim you are the victim? That is the very definition of trolling.

I will answer your posts again when you calm down a bit.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you deliberately trying to get me to lower to your level and insult you so that you can claim you are the victim?

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you in that mutant thread.

 

[CabVet]

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you in that mutant thread.

No personal attacks there, I didn't claim you were deliberately trying to dupe anybody (neither there nor anywhere else). All I said was that you had the wrong idea of what a mutant is (which I still think you do), a bit harshly, I do admit, but that was caused by your pejorative use of the word "scientist". No excuses for my behavior though, sorry. But let's go back to civilization, shall we?

P.S.: In the mutant thread, take a look at the definition of "mutant" that I posted, and just let me know how your definition differs from that one.

 

[AV1611VET]

No personal attacks there, I didn't claim you were deliberately trying to dupe anybody (neither there nor anywhere else).

Nor was I.

I wasn't directing that comment at just you.

What I meant was:

It's easier for scientists to dupe the public with trivial matters, than it is to dupe the public with major issues.

 

[AV1611VET]

P.S.: In the mutant thread, take a look at the definition of "mutant" that I posted, and just let me know how your definition differs from that one.

Like Helsinki I will.

You go right ahead and think I don't know.

I'm sure Split Rock would disagree with you.

 

[CabVet]

Nor was I.

I wasn't directing that comment at just you.

What I meant was:

It's easier for scientists to dupe the public with trivial matters, than it is to dupe the public with major issues.

Well, I am not duping the public. I have looked at the evidence and I know that cows are not in the Devonian. So much so, that if we found one, that would invalidate evolution.

I would go further and say that it is a lot easier to "dupe" people when you don't have a lot of evidence to back you up.

 

[florida2]

I would go further and say that it is a lot easier to "dupe" people when you don't have a lot of evidence to back you up.

Something religions are particularly skilled at.

 

[Queller]

Let me know exactly what the earth looked like then, the shape and size of each continent and the type of climate. Just so I can better answer your questions.

How will that better help you answer the question? Dolphins, whales, sea turtles, plesiosaurs, pliosaurs, and archelons all lived in the same environment, salt water oceans. What difference could it possibly make where the land was to them?

Elephants, buffalo, sheep, Brachiosaurs, Anklyosaurs, and Wannanosaurs all shared the same type of environment, temperate and sub-tropical grasslands and woodlands. What difference could it possible make as to where those lands were?

Sparrows, finches, pteranadons and pterodactyls all share the same environment, the air. What difference could it possibly make where the land and water below them was?

It is interesting that YEC flood geologists who do this sort of thing for a living don't need to know the size and shape of each continent to make these failed theories.

 

[PsychoSarah]

How will that better help you answer the question? Dolphins, whales, sea turtles, plesiosaurs, pliosaurs, and archelons all lived in the same environment, salt water oceans. What difference could it possibly make where the land was to them?

Elephants, buffalo, sheep, Brachiosaurs, Anklyosaurs, and Wannanosaurs all shared the same type of environment, temperate and sub-tropical grasslands and woodlands. What difference could it possible make as to where those lands were?

Sparrows, finches, pteranadons and pterodactyls all share the same environment, the air. What difference could it possibly make where the land and water below them was?

It is interesting that YEC flood geologists who do this sort of thing for a living don't need to know the size and shape of each continent to make these failed theories.

Land position has an influence on water and air currents, which impact the migrations of sea and airborne animals, influence salinity of oceans in certain areas, impacts natural disasters, and impacts the temperature and weather experienced by the landmass.

 

[Queller]

Land position has an influence on water and air currents, which impact the migrations of sea and airborne animals, influence salinity of oceans in certain areas, impacts natural disasters, and impacts the temperature and weather experienced by the landmass.

Of course. So why would those things be any different in the past? If the continents were in different places, all the things you list above would still occur and the sea life I am referring to would still exist in the same types of environments.

If dolphins, whales, and plesiosaurs lived in warm and cold, high and low salinity ocean water in the past (just like dolphins and whales do today) then they would live (and die and be fossilized) in warm and cold, high and low salinity ocean water no matter where on the planet that ocean water was found.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Of course. So why would those things be any different in the past? If the continents were in different places, all the things you list above would still occur and the sea life I am referring to would still exist in the same types of environments.

If dolphins, whales, and plesiosaurs lived in warm and cold, high and low salinity ocean water in the past (just like dolphins and whales do today) then they would live (and die and be fossilized) in warm and cold, high and low salinity ocean water no matter where on the planet that ocean water was found.

They would be in different areas and to different extents. Remember, the earth was warmer during the times of the dinosaurs, so the sea levels would have been higher, there would have been more coastline to landmass ratio, so violent weather and general precipitation would have been greater, there would have been more shallow seas than there are today. There is a reason that most of the creatures that lived during the times of dinosaurs are not today, the climate is completely different. Even water and soil pH would be different.

 

[CabVet]

They would be in different areas and to different extents. Remember, the earth was warmer during the times of the dinosaurs, so the sea levels would have been higher, there would have been more coastline to landmass ratio, so violent weather and general precipitation would have been greater, there would have been more shallow seas than there are today. There is a reason that most of the creatures that lived during the times of dinosaurs are not today, the climate is completely different. Even water and soil pH would be different.

Still, there is nothing in the Devonian that would stop a cow from being fossilized, and that is what ED is implying.

 

[Black Akuma]

Still, there is nothing in the Devonian that would stop a cow from being fossilized, and that is what ED is implying.

I think that's more what dad is implying. ED hasn't really provided any explanation for why don't find any mammals, reptiles, amphibians or birds in the Devonian.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Still, there is nothing in the Devonian that would stop a cow from being fossilized, and that is what ED is implying.

Absolutely, in fact, given that other stuff from the time period did fossilize, if cows and other modern animals existed then, then there should be at least some fossils of modern animals there.

 

[EternalDragon]

Still, there is nothing in the Devonian that would stop a cow from being fossilized, and that is what ED is implying.

There is also no reason that the data could be interpreted to show not multiple extinction events but one extinction event caused by rising waters.
(Scientists have listed five unexplained extinction events at the end of certain eras. Most of them being marine species.)

There is also no reason why certain animals may have inhabited only certain ecological areas on the earth, unlike today. Today's environments with animals living together are not necessarily the same as ones in the past.

 

[PsychoSarah]

There is also no reason that the data could be interpreted to show not multiple extinction events but one extinction event caused by rising waters.
(Scientists have listed five unexplained extinction events at the end of certain eras. Most of them being marine species.)

There is also no reason why certain animals may have inhabited only certain ecological areas on the earth, unlike today. Today's environments with animals living together are not necessarily the same as ones in the past.

Except that the worst extinction event in the past was caused by a drought that killed roughly 90% of all life.

 

[CabVet]

There is also no reason that the data could be interpreted to show not multiple extinction events but one extinction event caused by rising waters.

Yes, there are many reasons, but I will tell you the main one: a single extinction event would leave a single layer with a single fauna, not many.

(Scientists have listed five unexplained extinction events at the end of certain eras. Most of them being marine species.)

The extinctions are not unexplained.

Mass extinctions | Natural History Museum

There is also no reason why certain animals may have inhabited only certain ecological areas on the earth, unlike today. Today's environments with animals living together are not necessarily the same as ones in the past.

Yes, there is. You will not find a plant-eating animal in a place with no plants, or a fish in a place with no water. There is no reason to assume that fishes could breathe air and fly in the past, or that birds could dive into molten lava and survive.

But more to the point, none of that explains why there are no cows in the Devonian.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

But more to the point, none of that explains why there are no cows in the Devonian.

I explained why on page 9, because the original Hebrew has been misinterpreted. Not going to post it all again. There have been many creation's and many destruction's in the past. Cows are not found in the Devonian, because they were not created until after the last destruction, along with mankind.

The prior creation's and destruction's was not the point of the Bible, but the creation of a special creature, imbued with the ability to think and reason, to imagine and dream, above and beyond any other animal, and imbued with a sense of morality, not found in other species. A special act, unlike all the others that went before. Those prior creation's and destruction were not important to what was being related, and so are not covered.

Just as if I wanted to discuss the Devonian period, I would not need to consider the prior epochs except for a very brief mention, as does the Bible. Those other periods would not be the topic under consideration.

 

[EternalDragon]

Except that the worst extinction event in the past was caused by a drought that killed roughly 90% of all life.

The Permian where the greatest loss was marine life? Second was insects. Also, they say there was more co2 and less oxygen during that time. Exactly what we would find with a break up and increased volcanic activity during Noah's flood. (Anoxic events).

The arid idea is just a proposed gradualistic process among other ideas about what caused the extinctions.

 

[CabVet]

The Permian where the greatest loss was marine life? Second was insects. Also, they say there was more co2 and less oxygen during that time. Exactly what we would find with a break up and increased volcanic activity during Noah's flood. (Anoxic events).

The arid idea is just a proposed gradualistic process among other ideas about what caused the extinctions.

So, what was that about unknown causes again?