Why are there no cows in the Devonian?

[Justatruthseeker]

According to the Bible, everything was created during creation week, from bacteria to humans, some 6,000 years ago. Some here want to squeeze the entire fossil record into this timeline (of 6,000 years). My question is simple then, why don't we find fossil cows in Devonian strata?

To elaborate further, why is are there different communities of organisms in every strata and none of them correspond to what was created on creation week, except the most recent ones? Why are there dozens of layers below the more recent ones with many groups that are missing?

Because you like the vast majority of Christians included, misinterpret the Bible.

There is no description at all of how many creations and destruction's took place prior to the creation of man. All we are told is that in the beginning, God created the heaven's and the Earth. This is in past tense verb usage, showing it was complete.

The verb was, in the second verse is also used some twenty times in this chapter alone as the equivalent to became.

The earth was not formless and void, but became desolate and waste, and darkness covered the surface of the deep. Comet, meteor, who knows. How many such destruction's occurred is not mentioned with the following creations.

All that Genesis is concerned with is the creation of mankind and the animals that exist with him. Some rare animals survived this cataclysm, such as crocodile, sharks and some reptiles and mammals.

Tohu was bohu is used in the second verse of Genesis and only in two other verses together. In both other verses they speak of a once flourishing condition made desolate and waste. Why would one translate them differently in one passage, unless one had preconceived notions during translation. (Gen 1:2; Isa. 34:11; Jer. 4:23)

Genesis 1 Interlinear Bible

Strong's Hebrew: 1961. הָיָה (hayah) -- to fall out, come to pass, become, be

"Definition
to fall out, come to pass, become, be"

Not "was" formless and void, but become, come to pass desolate and waste.

This earth is most likely billions of years old, only mankind and the animals with him are not. Cows did not exist in the Devonian, because the Devonian happened before the recent cataclysm before mankind was created.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Who knows what amount of time god perceives as a week?

 

[juvenissun]

Not that super an achievement. If you recall he also said that birds were created on the same day as fish. He also said everything in the water was created on the same day. As I have outlined, that is completely inconsistent with the fossil record.

Glad you remember the bird. The idea that bird is created before terrestrial animals is very exciting. Basically Moses separated the air and the water from the dry land. Would you give Moses credit by this message? Tell you what, it is tremendous. Nobody, I mean nobody, except Moses was able to say that.

In the solar system as we know it today, we have planets/moons with either liquid and air, or with solid rock, but not having both except the earth. On the earth, it has water and air FIRST, then the land (Does the Genesis 1 say that?)

Now, the background for the Creation Day 5 is set. When does the bird show up is a next level question.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

Glad you remember the bird. The idea that bird is created before terrestrial animals is very exciting. Basically Moses separated the air and the water from the dry land. Would you give Moses credit by this message? Tell you what, it is tremendous. Nobody, I mean nobody, except Moses was able to say that.

I'm glad you remember the bird too. But why are you so pleased about it? Why should I be praising Moses for saying that birds appeared before land animals? This is objectively not the pattern seen in the fossil record. And of course there's still all the other sea creatures that allegedly appeared at the same time as fish yet don't appear til much later in the fossil record. So how does that help you?

 

[biggles53]

In the solar system as we know it today, we have planets/moons with either liquid and air, or with solid rock, but not having both except the earth.

Cough, cough....Europa...cough, cough.....Enceladus.....cough, cough......Triton....cough, cough....

 

[juvenissun]

Cough, cough....Europa...cough, cough.....Enceladus.....cough, cough......Triton....cough, cough....

Very ignorant. Pick up one and I will teach you.

 

[juvenissun]

I'm glad you remember the bird too. But why are you so pleased about it? Why should I be praising Moses for saying that birds appeared before land animals? This is objectively not the pattern seen in the fossil record. And of course there's still all the other sea creatures that allegedly appeared at the same time as fish yet don't appear til much later in the fossil record. So how does that help you?

First, nobody says all fishes appeared at the same time. One DAY time is not an instant. There is a sequence for events happened in one DAY.

Would you agree if I suggest that God continues to create fishes and birds on Day Six? Why should ALL fishes and birds be created in Day Five? Just like plants are created on Day Three. This does not preclude that more plants are created on Day Four, Five and Six. Reasonable?

 

[Atheos canadensis]

First, nobody says all fishes appeared at the same time. One DAY time is not an instant. There is a sequence for events happened in one DAY.

Would you agree if I suggest that God continues to create fishes and birds on Day Six? Why should ALL fishes and birds be created in Day Five? Just like plants are created on Day Three. This does not preclude that more plants are created on Day Four, Five and Six. Reasonable?

Whether you want to call it one literal day or a random other period of time, the problem remains that the order of creation according to Genesis does not conform to the order in which organisms appear in the fossil record.

And you're straining awfully hard to make the Genesis account fit the fossil record. If you have to make up a bunch of parts that were somehow not mentioned in the bible, that should be a an indication that you are on shaky ground. Not that the idea of extra-biblically continuous creation helps you at all. The Bible clearly says that all sea creature and the birds were created on the same day. Are you going to make the claim that when the Bible says all sea creatures and the birds were created on the same day, it actually means just the fish were created on that day and the birds and all the other "great creatures of the sea" were actually not made that day? That's not just making up extra creation events, that's saying that the words actually written in the Bible are inaccurate.

No matter how much you try to twist the words you cling to they do not produce a description of the pattern actually seen in the fossil record. How do you reconcile the fact that the bible claims fish and birds were created at the same time before the appearance of land animals with the fact that birds show up much later than fish in the fossil record and only well after land animals appear?

 

[biggles53]

Very ignorant. Pick up one and I will teach you.

NASA OSS: Europa-Another Water World

"Europa is composed of silicate rock and probably has an iron core..........it has a tenuous atmosphere comprised primarily of oxygen....

Jet Propulsion Laboratory | News

"NASA's Hubble Space Telescope has observed water vapor above the frigid south polar region of Jupiter's moon Europa, providing the first strong evidence of water plumes erupting off the moon's surface.

Previous scientific findings from other sources already point to the existence of an ocean located under Europa's icy crust. Researchers are not yet fully certain whether the detected water vapor is generated by erupting water plumes on the surface, but they are confident this is the most likely explanation."

You were saying....?

 

[CabVet]

First, nobody says all fishes appeared at the same time. One DAY time is not an instant. There is a sequence for events happened in one DAY.

Would you agree if I suggest that God continues to create fishes and birds on Day Six? Why should ALL fishes and birds be created in Day Five? Just like plants are created on Day Three. This does not preclude that more plants are created on Day Four, Five and Six. Reasonable?

You don't get it, do you? No, this is not reasonable. The order in which organisms appear in the fossil record is not the same in which they were created (according to Genesis). Here is a recap of creation:

1. Earth/water.
2. Light.
3. Plants (including fruit trees).
4. Sun.
5. Moon.
6. Stars.
7. Water creatures.
8. Birds.
9. Land animals from insect to mammals.
10. Man.

Here is what science has to say about it:

1. Stars.
2. Sun.
3. Earth.
4. Moon.
5. Bacteria (starting with bacteria-like organisms).
6. Algae and aquatic animals.
7. Fish.
8. Land plants (but not fruit trees).
9. Insects.
10. Reptiles and birds.
11. Mammals.
12. Fruit trees.
13. Man.

 

[AV1611VET]

The order in which organisms appear in the fossil record is not the same in which they were created (according to Genesis).

Big deal.

I can top that ... in spades:

The order in which the earth and sun appear on paper is not the same in which they were created.

 

[CabVet]

Big deal.

I can top that ... in spades:

The order in which the earth and sun appear on paper is not the same in which they were created.

You can top anything with unsupported statements.

 

[AV1611VET]

You can top anything with unsupported statements.

What's your point then?

If the order of creation is "wrong," why would you expect the fossil record to be in the "right" order?

I believe, according to Linnaeus' garbage, that whales came after land animals.

Correct?

But according to the Bible, whales came not only before land animals, but one day before.

Therefore, if you are seeing land animals, then millions of years of [whatever], then whales; that should tell you that something isn't right in Denmark.

In other words, Someone did some sorting for some reason ... placing dirt between layers of fossils.

Without this sorting, every first plants and first animals and first humans should be all found together, since they were all created within hours of each other.

 

[Atheos canadensis]

What's your point then?

If the order of creation is "wrong," why would you expect the fossil record to be in the "right" order?

I believe, according to Linnaeus' garbage, that whales came after land animals.

Correct?

But according to the Bible, whales came not only before land animals, but one day before.

Therefore, if you are seeing land animals, then millions of years of [whatever], then whales; that should tell you that something isn't right in Denmark.

In other words, Someone did some sorting for some reason ... placing dirt between layers of fossils.

Without this sorting, every first plants and first animals and first humans should be all found together, since they were all created within hours of each other.

In other words you acknowledge that the fossil record is not consistent with the description of creation given in Genesis. Cool.

 

[CabVet]

What's your point then?

If the order of creation is "wrong," why would you expect the fossil record to be in the "right" order?

There is no right and wrong, there is just what we can observe, and what is in a book.

I believe, according to Linnaeus' garbage, that whales came after land animals.

Correct?

Incorrect, Linnaeus had nothing to say about when whales appears, and in fact he was not only a devout Christian but also a young earth creationist.

But according to the Bible, whales came not only before land animals, but one day before.

Therefore, if you are seeing land animals, then millions of years of [whatever], then whales; that should tell you that something isn't right in Denmark.

Yeah, and when I have to chose between observable facts and a book written 3,000 years ago, I go with the facts.

In other words, Someone did some sorting for some reason ... placing dirt between layers of fossils.

Without this sorting, every first plants and first animals and first humans should be all found together, since they were all created within hours of each other.

Oh no, don't go there, don't say that the devil did it. But it is good to see that you at least acknowledge they are not in the same order.

 

[AV1611VET]

In other words you acknowledge that the fossil record is not consistent with the description of creation given in Genesis.

Absolutely.

I'm also acknowledging that the cosmic record is not consistent with the description of creation given in Genesis as well.

Like I said ... it tops the fossil record in spades.

So if you think the fossil record is "wrong," just look up, everything is "wrong."

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh no, don't go there, don't say that the devil did it. But it is good to see that you at least acknowledge they are not in the same order.

You mean like I have been for almost eight years now?

 

[CabVet]

You mean like I have been for almost eight years now?

Not once you mentioned that to me. And I asked multiple times. Your standard answer (to me) has always been that the fossil record can take a hike. But that is one powerful devil you have out there, not only he messed up the order of the entire fossil record, in the entire planet, but he also made sure that the relationships between every species in the planet (as revealed by DNA) corresponds to that fossil record.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I have often wondered if, perhaps, it would have been easier for the devil to alter parts of the bible so it wouldn't match up with reality and create doubts in the future? I bet if that were the case, the devil is enjoying the carnage.

 

[AV1611VET]

I have often wondered if, perhaps, it would have been easier for the devil to alter parts of the bible so it wouldn't match up with reality and create doubts in the future?

While God just sat there and watched him?