I don't consider you to be anti Catholic and you were the furthest from my mind when I posted that.
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I'm not entirely clear what anti-Catholic means. All i care is that you are careful with that phrase because my view regarding the OP of this thread is probalby more on the "anti-Catholic" side as you labelled it, but I am assuming from your later posts that in spite of that you do not consider me Anti-Catholic just as I don't consider you anti-Orthodox. If that's clear, then that's all I care about.
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What about other sucessors to Peter in other Sees Peter founded?
if a King set up a dukedom, lets say Duke of Ohio, all of the dukes children would be royalty but only one would assume the office of Duke of OhioCan you clarify what you mean? This is something I've always not clearly understood.
oh yes, I have no problem calling the Eastern Orthodox Church the Eastern Orthodox Church even though i believe the EOs teaching on the Pope and Purgatory are very unorthodox, you guys are the Orthodox Church and we should be polite, now sometimes i use "Eastern Orthodox" rather then just Orthodox because there are also Oriental Orthodox so I like to show that there is a differanceAre we TAWers alone in seeing futility of the "we got the name" argument? I cling to the hope that we are not. Can most of us agree that this is an argument that should never come up in ecumenical talk not because it's offensive but because it proves nothing either way?
if a King set up a dukedom, lets say Duke of Ohio, all of the dukes children would be royalty but only one would assume the office of Duke of Ohio
so while there are many Sees that St.Peter founded, only one did this special role of "first among equals" pass too
oh yes, I have no problem calling the Eastern Orthodox Church the Eastern Orthodox Church even though i believe the EOs teaching on the Pope and Purgatory are very unorthodox, you guys are the Orthodox Church and we should be polite, now sometimes i use "Eastern Orthodox" rather then just Orthodox because there are also Oriental Orthodox so I like to show that there is a differance
also, I have no problem with the name "Roman Catholic" that is a common name for my Church, I call it simply the Catholic Church, but if others want to call us Roman Catholic I have no right to be offended because greater Catholics then I have called it "Roman Catholic"
now I do get offended when we are called "Romans" or "the Roman Church" i mean a little respect is nice, so many people (not you) are very disrespectful, I mean, if you can not call us Catholics, or atleast Roman Catholics, then really, why bother even talking to us?
I'm unsure why the term "Roman Catholic" is offensive ... I thought the term reflected the location of seat of the See ...
What I never personally understood is the EO acknowledging him as the first among equals or giving him some honorary title.
what would be the point in that? Him being the 'head' only as an honorary title that holds no real authority or power?
I don't find the term "Roman Catholic" offensive, but I don't like how some refer to us as just the "Romans" or the "Roman Church" (without the word Catholic).
But "Roman Catholic" might be inaccurate if you're talking about the Catholic Church as a whole, because it contains different rites.. or if you're talking about an Eastern Catholic
God bless
So it seems that the "Roman" in "Roman Catholic" refers to the Rite, not to the See and the relationship to the chair of Peter ...
thanks
Is there a Roman Rite Mass ?
I don't expect you to accept what I say because if you did you would have to be a Catholic. So, I won't try to argue with you. Instead, I hope that one day the two lungs of East and West will join again together. But it seems like the closer we are to each other the more resistance there is to unity.It is the official position of the EO, the OO, and the majority of the Protestant denominations that the Roman Catholic Church is "not catholic," either in the sense that they are not the "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" or that they do not constitute the entirety of it. It is the position of the "EO" that we are the "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church" which Christ founded.
As for the title of "Catholic," it would be misleading in the modern world for me to self-identify as "a Catholic." It would not be for me to be identified as "a catholic Christian," "orthodox catholic," or "Orthodox Catholic Christian." Just because the Roman Church grasped the proper adjective "Catholic" in the modern world doesn't mean that other groups will not disagree with the appropriateness of the title for the Roman Church nor will it cause them to cease their own use and understanding of themselves as the "catholic Church." I'm sure the Roman Church considers itself "orthodox," does it not?
I do understand the need to stress this point though, and I personally thank you for being steadfast and consistent in your beliefs.
As long as we understand the why's of that resistance...and do not attribute it to the one "lung" only we are fineI don't expect you to accept what I say because if you did you would have to be a Catholic. So, I won't try to argue with you. Instead, I hope that one day the two lungs of East and West will join again together. But it seems like the closer we are to each other the more resistance there is to unity.
Are the OO included in the "other lung" ?I don't expect you to accept what I say because if you did you would have to be a Catholic. So, I won't try to argue with you. Instead, I hope that one day the two lungs of East and West will join again together. But it seems like the closer we are to each other the more resistance there is to unity.
So it seems that the "Roman" in "Roman Catholic" refers to the Rite, not to the See and the relationship to the chair of Peter ...
thanks
Is there a Roman Rite Mass ?
Christ is Risen!I don't find the term "Roman Catholic" offensive, but I don't like how some refer to us as just the "Romans" or the "Roman Church" (without the word Catholic).
But "Roman Catholic" might be inaccurate if you're talking about the Catholic Church as a whole, because it contains different rites.. or if you're talking about an Eastern Catholic
God bless
if you look at those early Church quotes I posted, they're saying Christ founded a single "cathedra" or "chair" of St Peter, through which unity in the Church is preservedand this is related to Peter being the "rock" and "reigning in his successors" (another early Church quote).
God bless
Roman Catholic as in those of the Church whose Patriarch is located in Rome (or Ruled from Rome...not sure how to phrase). Just as there are those that are Greek Orthodox, not because they are in Greece, but because they are under the Greek Patriarch (or the Russian Patriarch, etc.).I don't find the term "Roman Catholic" offensive, but I don't like how some refer to us as just the "Romans" or the "Roman Church" (without the word Catholic).
But "Roman Catholic" might be inaccurate if you're talking about the Catholic Church as a whole, because it contains different rites.. or if you're talking about an Eastern Catholic
God bless
I don't think that those that say "the Roman Church" are trying to be offensive or intentionally leave out "Catholic". The Orthodox also sometimes get asked if they go to "the Russian Church" or "the Greek Church". This doesn't mean they are intentionally leaving out "Orthodox". In fact, when I first attended "the Greek Church" in town, they noted how many children I had and that I wasn't Greek...the next thing I was asked was shouldn't I be at "the Irish Church?" ("the Irish Church" is the older term for the Roman Catholic Church...which I think is predominantly hispanic locally now LOL!)if a King set up a dukedom, lets say Duke of Ohio, all of the dukes children would be royalty but only one would assume the office of Duke of Ohio
so while there are many Sees that St.Peter founded, only one did this special role of "first among equals" pass too
oh yes, I have no problem calling the Eastern Orthodox Church the Eastern Orthodox Church even though i believe the EOs teaching on the Pope and Purgatory are very unorthodox, you guys are the Orthodox Church and we should be polite, now sometimes i use "Eastern Orthodox" rather then just Orthodox because there are also Oriental Orthodox so I like to show that there is a differance
also, I have no problem with the name "Roman Catholic" that is a common name for my Church, I call it simply the Catholic Church, but if others want to call us Roman Catholic I have no right to be offended because greater Catholics then I have called it "Roman Catholic"
now I do get offended when we are called "Romans" or "the Roman Church" i mean a little respect is nice, so many people (not you) are very disrespectful, I mean, if you can not call us Catholics, or atleast Roman Catholics, then really, why bother even talking to us?
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