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Why are the Orthodox being taught this? [Moved from OBOB]

Aeyamar

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You obviously know very little of the history of the East/West, and all the events leading up to it. If you did, you would know that it is not nearly so clean and simple. Also the idea that they do not consider us at all is ridiculous. If that were true, why would their bishops and patriarchs be willing to meet with our representative to advance ecumenical dialog. Honestly, your just wrong. I can only hope other people reading this thread understand that you do not represent the Catholic view of the Orthodox at all and don't take the things you say about them seriously.
 
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About 7 years ago, when you were what, 13? we had this discussion here on this forum with what was then just a hand full of Orthodox members on here.

They were highly offended when we mentioned to them they were the left lung.

From our POV, they are part of us but from theirs, they do not think so.
 
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Try the other way around That is how the Latin Rite is viewed as well
 
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You don't have the See of Peter. The see of Peter is Rome, not Antioch.
I cited earlier a Pope who recognised Antioch as a See of Peter. I apologise if you missed it.
Peter founded many Sees

In its present (ninth-century) form the "Martyrologium Hieronymianum" gives a second feast of the Chair of St. Peter for 22 February, but all the manuscripts assign it to Antioch, not to Rome

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Chair of Peter

"the Chair of Saint Peter at Antioch, Saint Gregory the Great (on whom De La Salle wrote a meditation for March 12) says that Saint Peter was regarded as the head of the Church in Antioch for seven years prior to his going to Rome. The feast is now called simply the Chair of Peter. It was celebrated as early as the fourth century in Rome itself."

http://www.cbhs.org/lasallian_resources/February_22.htm

Pope Gregory the Great recognized this
"Your most sweet Holiness has spoken much in your letter to me about the chair of Saint Peter, Prince of the apostles, saying that he himself now sits on it in the persons of his successors
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Wherefore though there are many apostles, yet with regard to the principality itself the See of the Prince of the apostles alone has grown strong in authority, which in three places is the See of one
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He himself stablished the See in which, though he was to leave it, he sat for seven years. Since then it is the See of one, and one See, over which by Divine authority three bishops now preside, whatever good I hear of you, this I impute to myself. "
To Eulogius, Bishop of Alexandria
Book VII, Epistle XL
NPNF-212. Leo the Great, Gregory the Great | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
That is, they both sit in the Chair of Peter. In fact there's three chairs.


Y'all really think you can make it in life with out the West. Wow. anyway....
I don't know how to respond to appeals to incredulity
 
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I belong to the Antiochian Orthodox Church, the Church that was mentioned in St. Luke's Acts of the Apostles. St. Peter helped to establish that Church.
 
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I belong to the Antiochian Orthodox Church, the Church that was mentioned in St. Luke's Acts of the Apostles. St. Peter helped to establish that Church.

I too belong to the Antiochian church, hence I too am aware of Peter's involvement.

It's a shame modern Catholics don't seem to be
 
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Here's my view, I think it's pride... the Orthodox bishops are under some spirit of pride much like the Protestants are.
Orthodox bishops are proudful; seeking not to be the bishop of bishops?
"No lord, I will not serve..." It plagues us all. No one likes to be under authority.
Bishops don't have authority?
 
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In my history class today, we talked about the rise of the episcopate and the Pentarchy, with Apostolic Succession and all. My professor is Roman Catholic. I think he secretely enjoyed it. My school is very largely Protestant, for most of the class it was probably the first time hearing the material. I myself was familiar with most of it.
 
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Whats the purpose of this thread? Why was it moved to TAW St Justin? The OP (#1) was over a quote from St Gregory:

For, as your venerable Holiness knows, this name of Universality was offered by the holy synod of Chalcedon to the pontiff of the Apostolic See which by the providence of God I serve. But no one of my predecessors has ever consented to use this so profane a title; since, forsooth, if one Patriarch is called Universal, the name of Patriarch in the case of the rest is derogated.

The original poster had reservations over whether this is an authentic quote. If he is still interested he can find it along with the rest of the epistle in, (Register of epistles of St Gregory Book 5, Epistle XLIII To Eulogios and Anastasius, bishops).
You can find it along with all of St Gregorys letters on ccel.org
 
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epistle of ST Gregory to Emperor Maurice, book 7 epistle 33:

Now I confidently say that whosoever calls himself, or desires to be called, Universal Priest, is in his elation the precursor of Antichrist, because he proudly puts himself above all others. Nor is it by dissimilar pride that he is led into error; for, as that perverse one wishes to appear as above all men, so whosoever this one is who covets being called sole priest, he extols himself above all other priests.
 
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Whats the purpose of this thread?

The OP was raised because apparently Orthodox are being taught a false quote as being true; based on the authors extensive use of Google.

This gave an opportunity for Catholics, and would-be Catholics, et al to all post about how Orthodox are all being taught the wrong thing - based on each person's extensive knowledge of all Orthodox everywhere.

Then the compisition of the thread changed.

Some Catholics seemed to be arguing from the idea that the quote was accurate, if only taken out of context.


I think responses from various Orthodox may have pushed close to argument.
 
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This is the crux of the issue (besides the papal issues). That you all believe we cut ourselves off, and we believe that the RCC left the Church/cut themselves off. I don't see how any headway will be made with each Church - EO and RCC - believing what they believe. And you all are just defending your faith. No problem with that.
 
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