Why are the Democrats in Congress not supporting Israel?

[TLK Valentine]

Many on the left cater to Islam for whatever reason. Over the years it's impossible to not take notice that many of them are quick to say how bad Christians and Jews are bad because such and such, and then defend Islam as such and such. You win brownie points on the left if you stan (look it up) for blacks, gays, trans, Muslims, etc. They see it differently, but they are too transparent for anyone else to not see them for what they are.

You left out the part where they sprout horns and a tail at midnight...

 

[The Faceless]

You left out the part where they sprout horns and a tail at midnight...

I had my suspicions about some people.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I had my suspicions about some people.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

You left out the part where they sprout horns and a tail at midnight...

How did you know about that?!

 

[The Faceless]

Well, you know....

I think extreme SJW-ism and the needing to berate some people to uplift others is my strongest point of dislike for the left.

Never to fear, I have similar views of the right.

 

[cow451]

Well, you know....

I think extreme SJW-ism and the needing to berate some people to uplift others is my strongest point of dislike for the left.

Never to fear, I have similar views of the right.

SJWism???? What’s that?

 

[cow451]

“The Democrat majority has blocked a vote on opposing BDS over and over again. They refuse to take up S.1, which passed the Senate by 77 votes ...
S.1 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Strengthening America's Security in the Middle East Act of 2019

U.S. Senate: U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 116th Congress - 1st Session

Do we know what the Democrats object to in the bill? It doesn't just address the BDS movement.

“They refuse to mark up its companion version, HR 336. And they refuse to bring to the floor a simple bipartisan resolution, H.Res.246. They bring a lot of House Resolutions to the floor, but they refuse to bring this one, which condemns the BDS movement.

H.R.336 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Strengthening America's Security in the Middle East Act of 2019

When either side objects to a bill or resolution, or objects to voting on either, I want to know why? I'm not going to just believe what the opposing side says because they all play politics.

I’m cool with BDS. Not so with allies murdering USbased journalists, especially when said ally’s government sanctions it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well, you know....

I think extreme SJW-ism and the needing to berate some people to uplift others is my strongest point of dislike for the left.

I'm sure everything else is in a 5,274-way tie for second place.

Never to fear, I have similar views of the right.

I look forward to hearing them someday.

 

[JosephZ]

Actually, that is not true. There are over 2 million Palestinian citizens of Israel who enjoy full citizenship and enjoy things like full access to Israel's judiciary, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, universal healthcare.

That's wonderful, but that still doesn't change the fact that the Israeli government restricts millions of others from enjoying the things you mentioned. It also doesn't change the fact that Palestinian Christians are prevented from visiting churches in Jerusalem and can’t travel freely, are having their lands confiscated, and are being treated as strangers in their own homeland.

Jesus commanded His followers to love their neighbors, not mistreat and oppress them. I'm pretty sure Jesus would never support a regime that subjugates millions of people within its state borders and openly discriminates against non-Jews.

“They (American Evangelicals) go there to worship at the dead stones of the Jews, but they ignore us, the living stone, the living body of Christ.” -- Pastor Danny Awad of The Baraka Bible Presbyterian Church in Bethlehem

 

[SinoBen]

“I want to mention something that just happened on the House floor. I did not think this day would come – I did not think it would happen in the House of Representatives, and I did not think it would ever happen in America.

“The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) movement aims to deny Jewish people the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland and it seeks to destabilize the Jewish state by encouraging a targeted economic war against Israel.

Today Almost Every Democrat Voted Against Israel

Turning your back on our long standing ally and only democratic nation in the Middle East makes no sense at all.

It disheartens me when I see here so many Christians pandering to the "Palestinian" cause. They are either blinded or short sighted and should read their Bibles to learn who actually laid claim to this land. They will probably be surprised to know that it is the Most High God, Yahweh. And it is God who gave the land to his chosen people, rebellious though they were. Spiritual entities, territorial spirits have their territories marked out for them elsewhere, but the territory of Israel is the Lord's. Deuteronomy 32:8–9. Did they read about Naaman who asked for dirt?

There are so much land elsewhere already, why all the fighting for that small arid portion of earth? Recognise the spiritual conflict behind it. Christians ought to be discerning to take care not to work on behalf of these other territorial spirits.

 

[LoAmmi]

Right, let's turn it around.

Why are the Republicans in Congress not supporting the free political speech of businesses?

Today many Republicans voted to punish businesses who decided that their conscience would not let them do business with a specific country.


I'm no fan of BDS in general, but I am a fan of people and businesses having free political speech and expression. If a business wishes not to do business with Israel, the government should stay out of it.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Right, let's turn it around.

Why are the Republicans in Congress not supporting the free political speech of businesses?

Today many Republicans voted to punish businesses who decided that their conscience would not let them do business with a specific country.

I'm no fan of BDS in general, but I am a fan of people and businesses having free political speech and expression. If a business wishes not to do business with Israel, the government should stay out of it.

Doesn't all the concern and support for the nation of Israel and for the Jewish people by all these conservatives Christians in the Republican Party just warm your heart, LoAmmi? Aren't you, as a Jewish person, deeply touched and moved by all the overflowing concern and support for Israel?

(Yes, I am being facetious, in case the tone of my sarcasm isn't obvious in my post)

 

[Aryeh Jay]

Doesn't all the concern and support for the nation of Israel and for the Jewish people by all these conservatives Christians in the Republican Party just warm your heart, LoAmmi? Aren't you, as a Jewish person, deeply touched and moved by all the overflowing concern and support for Israel?

(Yes, I am being facetious, in case the tone of my sarcasm isn't obvious in my post)

I support the plan of ensuring all the Jews leave their countries and go to Israel so they can be shown the errors of their ways and usher in the second coming and sent to wherever unless they convert to the one true faith that allows unlimited posting in all areas of CF and ushers in the great new era of prosperity that has been prophesied about by Jesus and Trump in Two Corinthians.

 

[cow451]

It disheartens me when I see here so many Christians pandering to the "Palestinian" cause. They are either blinded or short sighted and should read their Bibles to learn who actually laid claim to this land. They will probably be surprised to know that it is the Most High God, Yahweh. And it is God who gave the land to his chosen people, rebellious though they were. Spiritual entities, territorial spirits have their territories marked out for them elsewhere, but the territory of Israel is the Lord's. Deuteronomy 32:8–9. Did they read about Naaman who asked for dirt?

There are so much land elsewhere already, why all the fighting for that small arid portion of earth? Recognise the spiritual conflict behind it. Christians ought to be discerning to take care not to work on behalf of these other territorial spirits.

Ever wonder why American Jews are overwhelmingly Democrat?
Trump blasts Democrats on Israel at Republican Jewish Coalition event

 

[JosephZ]

It disheartens me when I see here so many Christians pandering to the "Palestinian" cause.

It disheartens me to see so many Christians refuse to take a stand for Palestinians.

Our brothers and sisters in the occupied territories are pleading for the Church to hear their cries. They are disenfranchised and at the mercy of a tyrannical occupier, yet many Christians continue to give their blind support to the oppressor while choosing to ignore the cries of the oppressed.

Palestinians both Christian and Muslim suffer alike, they are arrested, terrorized, and abused. Their lands are stolen and homes and farms that have been in families for generations are given to Israeli settlers or confiscated by the Israeli government. In 2014 alone during a prolonged Israeli assault on Gaza close to 1,500 innocent civilians were killed. On a regular basis parents are forced to bury their children who have been killed by the Israeli military.

It seems to me that many Christians put their support for the state of Israel above the teachings of Christ and that's sad.

They are either blinded or short sighted and should read their Bibles to learn who actually laid claim to this land.

It's interesting that almost all Christians born, raised, and living in Israel who also read their Bibles don't believe that God gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people, yet many Christians living far removed from the birthplace of Christ believe otherwise. Outside of some western Evangelical circles, the belief that the Bible mandates Israel’s right to occupy the land today is pretty rare in the Christian world.

There are so much land elsewhere already, why all the fighting for that small arid portion of earth?

If a foreign entity laid claim to a parcel of land in the heartland of the United States or another western country based on religious reasons, removed the people from their land, took their homes and farms, and restricted their freedom and basic rights if they tried to re-enter that land, how would you expect the people to react?

What if the people who lived on that land for generations before this foreign entity's occupation didn't believe what the religion of the occupiers teaches about this piece of land? Are they simply expected to give up their land and to endure and suffer persecution because of the occupiers beliefs?

Not only would the people who were forced off their lands be in an uproar because of this occupation, the entire region would be. If some foreign occupier tried this in a western country, you can guarantee there would be a fight.

So when we see the Palestinians fighting against the Israeli occupation of their lands we should be empathetic towards them, because if it happened to us, we would react in the exact same way.

 

[SinoBen]

It disheartens me to see so many Christians refuse to take a stand for Palestinians.

Our brothers and sisters in the occupied territories are pleading for the Church to hear their cries. They are disenfranchised and at the mercy of a tyrannical occupier, yet many Christians continue to give their blind support to the oppressor while choosing to ignore the cries of the oppressed.

Palestinians both Christian and Muslim suffer alike, they are arrested, terrorized, and abused. Their lands are stolen and homes and farms that have been in families for generations are given to Israeli settlers or confiscated by the Israeli government. In 2014 alone during a prolonged Israeli assault on Gaza close to 1,500 innocent civilians were killed. On a regular basis parents are forced to bury their children who have been killed by the Israeli military.

It seems to me that many Christians put their support for the state of Israel above the teachings of Christ and that's sad.


It's interesting that almost all Christians born, raised, and living in Israel who also read their Bibles don't believe that God gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people, yet many Christians living far removed from the birthplace of Christ believe otherwise. Outside of some western Evangelical circles, the belief that the Bible mandates Israel’s right to occupy the land today is pretty rare in the Christian world.


If a foreign entity laid claim to a parcel of land in the heartland of the United States or another western country based on religious reasons, removed the people from their land, took their homes and farms, and restricted their freedom and basic rights if they tried to re-enter that land, how would you expect the people to react?

What if the people who lived on that land for generations before this foreign entity's occupation didn't believe what the religion of the occupiers teaches about this piece of land? Are they simply expected to give up their land and to endure and suffer persecution because of the occupiers beliefs?

Not only would the people who were forced off their lands be in an uproar because of this occupation, the entire region would be. If some foreign occupier tried this in a western country, you can guarantee there would be a fight.

So when we see the Palestinians fighting against the Israeli occupation of their lands we should be empathetic towards them, because if it happened to us, we would react in the exact same way.

Show me in the Bible where the land belongs to the Arabs or so called "Palestinians" When was the word Palestine ascribed to the land? And by whom?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Show me in the Bible where the land belongs to the Arabs or so called "Palestinians" When was the word Palestine ascribed to the land? And by whom?

If we're using the Bible as justification, then the Jewish mandate is clear... the Palestinians must be exterminated.

God has never been gun-shy with His people regarding intruders on their land...

 

[cow451]

If we're using the Bible as justification, then the Jewish mandate is clear... the Palestinians must be exterminated.

And Jews are going to Hell.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

If we're using the Bible as justification, then the Jewish mandate is clear... the Palestinians must be exterminated.

God has never been gun-shy with His people regarding intruders on their land...

There's quite a lot of genocide and mass murder recorded in the Old Testament.

And Jews are going to Hell.

That's the sad part for God's "chosen people," isn't it? If you believe the Bible is inerrant that is.

 

[JosephZ]

Show me in the Bible where the land belongs to the Arabs or so called "Palestinians" When was the word Palestine ascribed to the land? And by whom?

OK, for the sake of argument, let's say there was never a Palestine and there are no Palestinians, and the people that were living on the land prior to the creation of the state of Israel were just Arabs (I'm assuming this is why you have been putting the word Palestine in parenthesis). Doesn't it bother you in the least bit that Christians, Muslims, and Jews alike have been robbed of their land, driven from their homes, and suffered attacks on their lives as part of Israel’s ongoing ethnic persecution against the Arab people? Better yet, should we as Christians ignore the plight of our brothers and sisters in Christ who are suffering persecution at the hands of the Israeli government due to its policies towards Arabs within the borders of Israel and the land it occupies?