Why are some Christians anti Evolution?

[AV1611VET]

Now according to fundamentalist Baptists despite his good deed he will be put to death by Jesus Christ for not having a literal view of the Bible if he happens to be still around, like the majority of Christian and non Christians who share the same opinion.

Christians come in all shapes and sizes.

My turn, sjastro:

Tell us what you think of Lester Roloff.

 

[sjastro]

My turn, sjastro:

Tell us what you think of Lester Roloff.

He has a surname that rolls off your tongue.

 

[AV1611VET]

He has a surname that rolls off your tongue.

Uh-huh.

I think I'll just take your 1116 with a grain of salt.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Would you know the difference?

You don't; do you think I would?

If He wanted to cover His tracks, then why did He put what He did, when He did it, where He did it, why He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, and who the eyewitnesses were?

Simple -- He didn't.

Or are you about to show me chapter and verse where the massive cleanup is?

 

[Bradskii]

So you believe bits and pieces of the Bible, is that what your saying? Honestly you sound like your agnostic at best. You can’t believe in the miracles that Jesus Himself said He performed but the only miracles you can believe in are the two that are required for salvation even tho they defy what science teaches us as being possible just as much as every other miracle God performed. Sounds convenient. So when all the other miracles are mentioned you say that these are impossible so they couldn’t have really happened but when it comes to Christ’s incarnation and resurrection you believe these are possible even tho science tells us they are just as impossible as all the rest of God’s miracles? That’s holding to a double standard my friend, your being inconsistent in your logic and beliefs. Your willing to dismiss logic on the two miracles that can save you but you can’t accept all the rest because you don’t believe they could possibly happen. To me that sounds like agnosticism because your inconsistent in your logic and beliefs. An atheist clings to the side of logic and reason, a believer clings to the side of faith and trust, and your somewhere in between.

I don't believe in any of the miracles in the bible. Including the resurrection. I don't believe in the supernatural. I'm something of a materialist. So I'm not a Christian. You do believe in the resurrection so you are a Christian. But you don't need to believe that He fed a multitude with a few loaves and fishes to be a follower of Christ. It's not required. It's not necessary for you to believe that He turned water into wine. It's irrelevant. If there were no miracles whatsever in the bible (apart from the resurrection), it wouldn't matter. You'd still be a Christian.

And believing that God created everything in 6 days (whether is was 'made old' or the time was compressed or whatever convoluted method you wish to employ) is also irrelevant to any person being a Christian.

So can we please skip any arguments that are based on the position that you do need to believe it? You don't. And apart from anything else, it's disparaging to the millions of Christians who don't treat Genesis as a scientific treatise.

 

[Astrophile]

Excellent can you give a scientific explanation for these three miracles?

Lot’s wife turned to a pillar of salt as a result of looking back as Sodom was being destroyed.

In view of what happened afterwards - Lot took to drink and to sleeping with his daughters - this is not a particularly edifying miracle.

Balaam’s donkey talking like a human.

I have heard many humans talk like asses, but never an ass talk like a human.

 

[sjastro]

Uh-huh.

I think I'll just take your 1116 with a grain of salt.

Selective reading again.
Take a look at #988 which shows the vile hateful rhetoric an IFB spews which compliments your own pathological hated towards scientists and academics.

 

[Bradskii]

Chances are nobody is wondering but if they did,
this thread is a good example of why my investigation
of Christianity didnt make a convert of me.

And that has happened to a lot of people. Present company included.

I had to attend confirmation classes when I was about 14 to enable me to take communion (Church of England). And I'd been brought up in the church and knew all the biblical stories. And I treated them as I treated the stories of the ancient Greeks. Surely the sories of courage were meant to encourage us to be courageous. Surely the stories of world wide floods and death and destruction were meant to encourage us not to sin. But I began to realise that I was meant to take them literally.

And that was the start of a lot of questions that resulted in me rejecting the whole thing.

 

[AV1611VET]

Simple -- He didn't.

I see.

Or are you about to show me chapter and verse where the massive cleanup is?

And that would change your mind? I don't think so, Tim.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I see.

I doubt it.

And that would change your mind? I don't think so, Tim.

Well, thus far, you've tried nothing, and shockingly, it didn't work.

 

[Astrid]

Excellent can you give a scientific explanation for these three miracles?

Lot’s wife turned to a pillar of salt as a result of looking back as Sodom was being destroyed.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego surviving the fiery furnace.

Balaam’s donkey talking like a human.

No science needed.
If i recall correctly, Cabeza de Vaca was thought
by the Indians to be a healer, and people followed him
around. No surprise if his " miracles" grew with
every telling, whether he encouraged any of it or not.

Purported miracles go on all the time around the world.
Bible type miracles mysteriously stopped. No seas parting,
no ressurections, nothing that would shakevpeople up and
win believers.
Now its coz it would mess with " faith" if the sea parted.

No surprise if people told things about Jesus that he didnt
know he'd done. " Daemon to pig" is a particulaly
unlikely event to be able to video, should there be
a time machine to get the camera to biblical times.

Id guess he'd be, as an honourable man, be some
put off by such tales being told.

For one, carnival / tent revival type stunts should be beneath,
unworthy, contemptible to a holy man.

Man the fallible decided what to include, what was apocryphal when they compiled the bible.


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[AV1611VET]

If i recall correctly, Cabeza de Vaca was thought by the Indians to be a healer, and people followed him around. No surprise if his " miracles" grew with every telling, whether he encouraged any of it or not.

Acts 5:36 For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought.
37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
38 And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought:
39 But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

 

[coffee4u]

Do you believe everything you see on YouTube?

Do you think those people are not real?

This is what the Florida’s Parental Rights Education bill is all about. Preventing the grooming of children from K to grade 3. Which of course the left dubbed 'Don't say gay bill" even though the word gay isn't even in it. Because more sensationalism that way.
If these people were not a concern there wouldn't be a bill about it.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Do you think those people are not real?

Clearly they are in fact people, but whether or not they are who they purport to be is another matter.

This is what the Florida’s Parental Rights Education bill is all about.

Moral panic?

Preventing the grooming of children from K to grade 3.

So... You think schoolteachers are out to make your children gay?

iWhch of course the left dubbed 'Don't say gay bill" even though the word gay isn't even in it. Because more sensationalism that way.

Clearly you're far too clever to fall for sensationalist tactics...

If these people were not a concern there wouldn't be a bill about it.

So... How long before you were told to be concerned about "these people."

I'm an actual schoolteacher... are you concerned about me?

 

[Astrid]

And that has happened to a lot of people. Present company included.

I had to attend confirmation classes when I was about 14 to enable me to take communion (Church of England). And I'd been brought up in the church and knew all the biblical stories. And I treated them as I treated the stories of the ancient Greeks. Surely the sories of courage were meant to encourage us to be courageous. Surely the stories of world wide floods and death and destruction were meant to encourage us not to sin. But I began to realise that I was meant to take them literally.

And that was the start of a lot of questions that resulted in me rejecting the whole thing.

Growing up I was only kind of vaguely aware of Christianity, other than
Christmas.
We didnt do religion at home.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I don't believe in any of the miracles in the bible. Including the resurrection. I don't believe in the supernatural. I'm something of a materialist. So I'm not a Christian. You do believe in the resurrection so you are a Christian. But you don't need to believe that He fed a multitude with a few loaves and fishes to be a follower of Christ. It's not required. It's not necessary for you to believe that He turned water into wine. It's irrelevant. If there were no miracles whatsever in the bible (apart from the resurrection), it wouldn't matter. You'd still be a Christian.

And believing that God created everything in 6 days (whether is was 'made old' or the time was compressed or whatever convoluted method you wish to employ) is also irrelevant to any person being a Christian.

So can we please skip any arguments that are based on the position that you do need to believe it? You don't. And apart from anything else, it's disparaging to the millions of Christians who don't treat Genesis as a scientific treatise.

My point is that those who don’t believe in Christ’s miracles because they defy the laws of science are not being consistent when they say they believe in His incarnation and resurrection.

 

[BNR32FAN]

In view of what happened afterwards - Lot took to drink and to sleeping with his daughters - this is not a particularly edifying miracle.

No he got drunk and fell asleep and his daughters had their way with him.

 

[ottawak]

My point is that those who don’t believe in Christ’s miracles because they defy the laws of science are not being consistent when they say they believe in His incarnation and resurrection.

Why is that an important point? Why are we not free to believe in as many or as few of events deemed by some religious authority to be miracles as we want?

 

[Astrid]

Why is that an important point? Why are we not free to believe in as many or as few of events deemed by some religious authority to be miracles as we want?

Its important to binary thinkers. All or nothing.
IF God is real, then sure, He can do anything.

But did He? Con man preachers are always invoking God - miracles
their phony faith healings.

Just coz human beings chose to put something in the bible
hardly proves it is true.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Why is that an important point? Why are we not free to believe in as many or as few of events deemed by some religious authority to be miracles as we want?

Im not saying your not free to do that I’m simply saying your being inconsistent in your analysis of scripture and science.