Why are so many fundamentalists willing to compromise Scripture?

[Scholar in training]

Some people say that liberals specifically undermine God's authority in creation, but another group that does just that is commonly overlooked: fundamentalists.

Many fundamentalists go so far as to accept cell theory. But why? It is only a theory, not a fact. There is no evidence for the existence of cells, and making it even worse for the fundamentalist's case is the fact that the Bible is completely silent on the issue - indicating, of course, that cell theory is contrary to a literal, six-day creation the fundamentalist supposedly believes in. With that in mind, I think that the Bible plainly says there was no death before the Fall - certainly not cellular death, because cells do not exist!

So, I guess my question is why fundamentalists don't believe in the Bible?

 

[Remus]

You've never seen a cell?

 

[Scholar in training]

You've never seen a cell?

Ah, you're getting to the heart of the issue now! No, no one sees cells. They are not visible, and anyone who claims to have seen one is simply seeing dust, hair, etc. There is no evidence linking them to cells.

 

[CaptainMercy]

Just because the Bible does not mention cells in particular does not mean they don't exist. Also, using the fact that death started reigning after the fall is not a good argument that cells do not exist. You say that cells are just a theory that has not been proven. Where have you been for so long, it has been proven a number of years? Did you not take any science courses in high school?

 

[Scholar in training]

Also, using the fact that death started reigning after the fall is not a good argument that cells do not exist.

No death means no death! That's what the Bible plainly says.

You say that cells are just a theory that has not been proven.

Theories are not proven! Don't get me started on the theory of gravity.

Where have you been for so long, it has been proven a number of years?

That's what our secular humanist society says!

Did you not take any science courses in high school?

Sure, I know the holes in the theory thanks to what I learned in school.

 

[CaptainMercy]

Do you accept scripture as God's enfalible word? If so show me laviathon. Has anybody been able to locate one. Not to my knowledge. Does that mean he doesn't exist? Not if I take the bible literally because God spoke of him to Job.

Did death bring about cells? I don't think so. So where are all these cells coming from? Do you think aliens are putting them there? I hope not. So if no cells then no atoms, Huh? How do account for the atom bomb and the claims that its formula was discovered in the bible? Curious as to your reply.

 

[shernren]

Was that supposed to be sarcastic? *scritch*

 

[United]

Some people say that liberals specifically undermine God's authority in creation, but another group that does just that is commonly overlooked: fundamentalists.

Many fundamentalists go so far as to accept cell theory. But why? It is only a theory, not a fact. There is no evidence for the existence of cells, and making it even worse for the fundamentalist's case is the fact that the Bible is completely silent on the issue - indicating, of course, that cell theory is contrary to a literal, six-day creation the fundamentalist supposedly believes in. With that in mind, I think that the Bible plainly says there was no death before the Fall - certainly not cellular death, because cells do not exist!

So, I guess my question is why fundamentalists don't believe in the Bible?

Hi there Scholar in training,

The key word in your text above is "plainly". Most YEC's insist that the true meaning of a passage can only be the plainest literal interpretation. I am yet to understand why this is required for scientific matters but not for spiritual matters. The bible says "death", not "physical death". So a fundametalist can believe in the bible & cell theory.

 

[Battie]

Scholar, I understand the point you are trying to make, but I am afraid that this is oversimplifying the matter. The difference between cell theory and an old earth is that while the Bible does not talk about cells, it does talk about an earth created in six days, not 4.5 billion.

The issue isn't so much one of whether or not the Bible talks about a scientific theory as how one interprets Scripture. I am, for all intents and purposes, a TE because my studies of scripture have led me to believe that the creation story isn't supposed to be taken literally. A YEC will examine the Scriptures and conclude the opposite. I think that to criticize a YEC for accepting other parts of science is to sort of miss the point (although I might buy the heliocentrism argument).

 

[Scholar in training]

Scholar, I understand the point you are trying to make, but I am afraid that this is oversimplifying the matter.

As all satire does.

The difference between cell theory and an old earth is that while the Bible does not talk about cells, it does talk about an earth created in six days, not 4.5 billion.

The reason I chose cells is because it involves an argument from silence - the Bible does not talk about cells just like it does not talk about evolution.

The Bible also "plainly" says that Jesus will reign on earth for 1000 years. Is that to be taken literally? Wait, futurists already do take it that way.

The issue isn't so much one of whether or not the Bible talks about a scientific theory as how one interprets Scripture.

I was aiming more at the theory of evolution than an old earth, but they are both effective for this argument.

I am, for all intents and purposes, a TE because my studies of scripture have led me to believe that the creation story isn't supposed to be taken literally. A YEC will examine the Scriptures and conclude the opposite. I think that to criticize a YEC for accepting other parts of science is to sort of miss the point (although I might buy the heliocentrism argument).

No, I still think that the cell theory argument works. We can't see cells with the naked eye - no one has ever observed macroevolution with their own eyes. When anyone claims to have seen cells, they are just dust or hair or something of the like, and have nothing to do with cell theory - YECs claim that transitional fossils have nothing to do with evolution. All Christians who have accepted cell theory throughout history are not Bible-believers - all Christians who have accepted the theory of evolution are not Bible-believers. Cells are not mentioned in the Bible (argument from silence) - and neither is evolution. The parallels are rather striking.

 

[CaptainMercy]

Was that supposed to be sarcastic? *scritch*

Who is *scritch*? If that question was directed at me then my answer would be no. I think this is a serious discussion and my comments are serious. I am sorry if you took it that way if I am the one you are talking to!

 

[shernren]

Sorry it wasn't you, it was for Scholar, and I don't think he intended this to be a serious discussion anyways. Unless I take the literal interpretation of his words!

 

[Athene]

Ah, you're getting to the heart of the issue now! No, no one sees cells. They are not visible, and anyone who claims to have seen one is simply seeing dust, hair, etc. There is no evidence linking them to cells.

As a cell scientist I can faithfully tell you there are no such things as cells, it's a conspiracy to turn people away from God. All these alleged cells all look the same under the microscope, different animals should have different looking cells, cause animals are different to humans. Human cells shouldn't look like animals, ours should be bigger, and glow with the light of the lord.

You don't want to trust scientists with their sinful science talk.

 

[billwald]

Ernst Mach - smart as he was - missed out on much interesting stuff because he refused to inverstigate anything he couldn't see with his eyes.

 

[Smidlee]

So, I guess my question is why fundamentalists don't believe in the Bible?

because they are Muslims!

 

[JesusFreak7777]

Its called debating and not believing