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... and, by implication, outside the Church there is no salvation.
This is perfect RCC truth but NOT Gospel truth.
Actually, it's not even that. Current RCC teaching is that anyone can be saved, even those who have never heard of Christ, so long as they are good and sincere.
Of course I agree with you, because God has already said that. The church is propagated by preaching. I am saying that just as Peter was a witness and testified to the truth that he was shown, so too am I a witness and testify to the truth I have been shown. When we have agreed with God and become a member of the church then we too preach and propagate it just as Peter did. The church is a term describing those that have partaken of the salvation, I know you see the difference in what I am saying and what has been touted as THE church.sam, Acts 4:12 says that salvation is found in no one other than Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." This verse and many others make it abundantly clear that Christ is the only Savior of the world. That is precisely why the Church says that its existence in the world is necessary for salvation: because we would not know of Christ had it not been for the Church. In Acts 4:12, Peter is pointing to Christ as the Savior, but he does so as an authoritative witness to Christ, as his chosen apostle. The people to whom Peter was preaching would not know of Christ except through his witness as the leader of the Church. So we can say that the proclamation of Christ by the Church is necessary for salvation. Outside of Christ there is no salvation and, by implication, outside the Church there is no salvation.
The emphasis seems to be that it is a possibility that they could be saved, but there are conditions attached.
No, that was the point of my comment. That used to be the RCC's position, but now it's become normative to speak of everyone being something of a de facto Roman Catholic, or an unconscious Roman Catholic...so long as he's good and sincere in whatever religion he embraces. The Pope enunciated this view a few years ago and a recent survey showed that only 9% of American RCs don't agree with it. My guess is that most of them post here, however.These individuals must embrace the Catholic Church wholeheartedly if, and when, they encounter it, or they must be "invincibly ignorant".
Any "conditions" to the gospel set forth by the Lord Savior the Anointed that are established by mere men is simply nonsense and perhaps criminal.The emphasis seems to be that it is a possibility that they could be saved, but there are conditions attached. These individuals must embrace the Catholic Church wholeheartedly if, and when, they encounter it, or they must be "invincibly ignorant". Invincible ignorance is used to cover virtually every non-Catholic, including ourselves who, according to some Catholics, would gladly embrace Catholicism were we not so pigheadedly ignorant.
The niggling question is, however, how much time in Purgatory saved non-Catholics will spend.
Right. As I said, they are "good and sincere."
No, that was the point of my comment. That used to be the RCC's position, but now it's become normative to speak of everyone being something of a de facto Roman Catholic, or an unconscious Roman Catholic...so long as he's good and sincere in whatever religion he embraces. The Pope enunciated this view a few years ago and a recent survey showed that only 9% of American RCs don't agree with it. My guess is that most of them post here, however.
I am still awaiting any sort of explanation regarding Purgatory, especially for those of us de facto Catholics, aka "separated brethren".
bbbbbbb, i'd suggest that you start a new topic on Purgatory.
Purgatory is clearly explained if one has a real Sacred Holy Bible.
I just have a regular Bible. Actually a large number of Bibles in various translations. I am not familiar with the Sacred Holy Bible. Is that a new Catholic Bible?
The Reformers dropped from the Bible books that had been in common use for centuries'. If those books were good enough for Jesus and His followers then those same books should be good enough for you.
The Reformers dropped from the Bible books that had been in common use for centuries'. If those books were good enough for Jesus and His followers then those same books should be good enough for you.
What makes you say they were good enough for Jesus and his followers? I don't recall Jesus ever saying that Bel and the Dragon, for example, was divine revelation. But maybe you know of some place where he did? The Jews were divided on those books, just as the Christian church still is today.
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