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Why are so many Catholics anti-Protestant? (2)

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Official Catholic teaching is far from anti-protestant.
There can be no ecumenism worthy of the name without a change of heart. For it is from renewal of the inner life of our minds,(28) from self-denial and an unstinted love that desires of unity take their rise and develop in a mature way. We should therefore pray to the Holy Spirit for the grace to be genuinely self-denying, humble. gentle in the service of others, and to have an attitude of brotherly generosity towards them. St. Paul says: "I, therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, beg you to lead a life worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and meekness, with patience, forbearing one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace".(29) This exhortation is directed especially to those raised to sacred Orders precisely that the work of Christ may be continued. He came among us "not to be served but to serve".(30)

The words of St. John hold good about sins against unity: "If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us".(31) So we humbly beg pardon of God and of our separated brethren, just as we forgive them that trespass against us.

All the faithful should remember that the more effort they make to live holier lives according to the Gospel, the better will they further Christian unity and put it into practice. For the closer their union with the Father, the Word, and the Spirit, the more deeply and easily will they be able to grow in mutual brotherly love.

28. Cf. Ep 4,24 29. Ep 4,1-3, 30. Mt 20,28, 31. 1Jn 1,10


This change of heart and holiness of life, along with public and private prayer for the unity of Christians, should be regarded as the soul of the whole ecumenical movement, and merits the name, "spiritual ecumenism."

It is a recognized custom for Catholics to have frequent recourse to that prayer for the unity of the Church which the Saviour Himself on the eve of His death so fervently appealed to His Father: "That they may all be one".(32)

In certain special circumstances, such as the prescribed prayers "for unity," and during ecumenical gatherings, it is allowable, indeed desirable that Catholics should join in prayer with their separated brethren. Such prayers in common are certainly an effective means of obtaining the grace of unity, and they are a true expression of the ties which still bind Catholics to their separated brethren. "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them".(33)

Yet worship in common (communicatio in sacris) is not to be considered as a means to be used indiscriminately for the restoration of Christian unity. There are two main principles governing the practice of such common worship: first, the bearing witness to the unity of the Church, and second, the sharing in the means of grace. Witness to the unity of the Church very generally forbids common worship to Christians, but the grace to be had from it sometimes commends this practice. The course to be adopted, with due regard to all the circumstances of time, place, and persons, is to be decided by local episcopal authority, unless otherwise provided for by the Bishops' Conference according to its statutes, or by the Holy See.

32. Jn 17,21, 33. Mt 18,20,


We must get to know the outlook of our separated brethren. To achieve this purpose, study is of necessity required, and this must be pursued with a sense of realism and good will. Catholics, who already have a proper grounding, need to acquire a more adequate understanding of the respective doctrines of our separated brethren, their history, their spiritual and liturgical life, their religious psychology and general background. Most valuable for this purpose are meetings of the two sides-especially for discussion of theological problems-where each can treat with the other on an equal footing-provided that those who take part in them are truly competent and have the approval of the bishops. From such dialogue will emerge still more clearly what the situation of the Catholic Church really is. In this way too the outlook of our separated brethren will be better understood, and our own belief more aptly explained.​
-- UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO
 
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The breaking off from the original is a concern tothe Church who is the abode of all graces for the humanity on earth via her teachings espoused from Christ and His sacraments.
This (above) pretty much answers the question of the thread, doesn't it?
 
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Official Catholic teaching is far from anti-protestant.

We must get to know the outlook of our separated brethren. To achieve this purpose, study is of necessity required, and this must be pursued with a sense of realism and good will. Catholics, who already have a proper grounding, need to acquire a more adequate understanding of the respective doctrines of our separated brethren, their history, their spiritual and liturgical life, their religious psychology and general background. Most valuable for this purpose are meetings of the two sides-especially for discussion of theological problems-where each can treat with the other on an equal footing-provided that those who take part in them are truly competent and have the approval of the bishops. From such dialogue will emerge still more clearly what the situation of the Catholic Church really is. In this way too the outlook of our separated brethren will be better understood, and our own belief more aptly explained.[/INDENT] -- UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO

:):):) Back to the ol' subtraction issue doing the math. We can do this together my friend MoreCoffee, ie., simply subtract fides caritate formata from the equation resulting in solis fides.. I knew you could do it. :blush:

:):):) One more equation and we're in the N.T. Noah's Ark together, trying to get others aboard. All we have to do is subtract, oh, that LatIn, let's talk English, "tradition" from the equation resulting in sola scripturea, sorry, I mean "by Scripture alone." :D I'm casting a life line to you again
MoreCoffee and the God-man Jesus in heaven is casting "error's working" right this moment, upon those that plug into IIThess.2:9, 10, and this isn't you. With you my friend. :thumbsup:
 
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I have not ever noticed that Catholics are anti-Protestant. Technically speaking, well, VERY technically speaking, I'm a Protestant by default, since I'm not Catholic. I've fellowshipped with our Catholic brethren in GT and in OBOB many times, and always been welcomed with open arms.

Maybe most Catholics are just anti-"anti-Catholic-Protestant" :sorry:
 
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Maybe most Catholics are just anti-"anti-Catholic-Protestant" :sorry:

No, that wouldn't be the case. But it makes a handy claim for the anti-Protestants.

However, I agree with you that the average church-goer that you'd meet if you chose to attend a Catholic Mass this Sunday is not like that. But when it comes to online discussion boards and blogs, etc. it's a different story.

There's only one Catholic here who consistently tries to bridge the differences between Catholics and Protestants (that's steve b), and he's a recent convert from Protestantism, which is what he credits for his ability to see both sides.
 
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I have to admit RC are extremely more religious, eg, religious verbage, traditions, and etc. than I am, ie, loosely speaking in the broad sense of course. I was wondering just because I'm not as religious as them, in the former sense, was one of the reasons for the 'anti-Protestantism'?
 
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No, that wouldn't be the case. But it makes a handy claim for the anti-Protestants.

However, I agree with you that the average church-goer that you'd meet if you chose to attend a Catholic Mass this Sunday is not like that. But when it comes to online discussion boards and blogs, etc. it's a different story.

There's only one Catholic here who consistently tries to bridge the differences between Catholics and Protestants (that's steve b), and he's a recent convert from Protestantism, which is what he credits for his ability to see both sides.
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This post id for all you RCC members. Never think that your history is proof of God's approval. The first three chapters of Rev. state that a church can have their lamp put out. For your boss to claim to be the "Holy Father" means when Jesus returns He goes to Rome and kneels at the feet of the pope and kisses his ring and says "Holy Father I have returned, may I have my kingdom now? hahahahahahahahah fat chance. and if the boss is blind so are the employees and where the boss goes they go too. Of course they defend their position, because their whole lives depend on them being right. The reason Simon was named Peter and the "rock" upon which He builds His church was the revelation that He(Jesus) was the Christ, the Son of the Living God. the very same revelation that all stones(us) that make up the temple of God. So are you not carnal and walk as men?
 
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The words of St. John hold good about sins against unity: "If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us".(31) So we humbly beg pardon of God and of our separated brethren, just as we forgive them that trespass against us.


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Nothing like a little missuse of scripture to pertain to unity....
 
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Its because Martin Luther was trying to break away from paying taxes for the church. The early protestants were born from there. there are some (i think more like fewer) catholics who hates protestants because the catholic school teaches their students how 'evil' Martin Luther is in history.

Get your history right. The reformation was not about taxes but theological abuses; nor was Luther trying to "break away", rather he desired to reform the existing Church, not start a new one. The Catholic Church excommunicated Luther separating themselves from him, not the other way around. Some of the Princes (Electors) of the Holy Roman Empire did get behind Luther for political reasons (taxes) though.

If that's what's being taught in Schools, it's no wonder. I have lots of Catholic friends, and they were not taught such.:preach:
 
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Its because Martin Luther was trying to break away from paying taxes for the church.
You really should read up on the history of the period before guessing at the causes of the Reformation like that, especially around here where most of the members, Catholic as well as Protestant, know that taxes were not the issue.
 
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The OP title would of been much more correct in asking why the RCC is anti-protestant...

One reason is they teach outside the RCC their is no salvation for believers of Eph 2:8 alone. I believe we are heretics - I'll have to look but I believe the council of trent still has burning of heretics on the books... As per Vatican.va


But ofcourse the main reason the RCC hates - yes I said hates... Is because for one we teach the RCC is not needed in any way shape or form for salvation or anything else on the planet! Hence the bad times for Christians back years ago.... Recant eph2:8 and accept the RCC way...


A Catholics salvation is a totally different salvation than Eph 2:8
Yet the bible teaches only one salvation!
 
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The reformation was not about taxes but theological abuses


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And what abuses were those? Like following the pope on Twitter to get timeoff from purgatory.....

The OP title would of been much more correct in asking why the RCC is anti-protestant...

One reason is they teach outside the RCC their is no salvation for believers of Eph 2:8 alone. I believe we are heretics - I'll have to look but I believe the council of trent still has burning of heretics on the books... As per Vatican.va


But ofcourse the main reason the RCC hates - yes I said hates... Is because for one we teach the RCC is not needed in any way shape or form for salvation or anything else on the planet! Hence the bad times for Christians back years ago.... Recant eph2:8 and accept the RCC way...


A Catholics salvation is a totally different salvation than Eph 2:8
Yet the bible teaches only one salvation!

So much Christian Love in a couple of posts; your mom must be proud;):clap::clap:.
 
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Why did the Catholic church hate the Cathars, Gnostics, Bogomils, Waldensians and any other heresy that cropped up. Indeed, in the middle ages Popes even called Crusades against "heretics" that were living quite peacefully in the Languedoc region of southern France. If these crusades and subsequent Inquisitions had not been so zealous, its arguable that a western reformation may well have occurred much earlier in European history.

Any school of thought that reduced the influence of the Pope and the Church was seen as a threat to centralized Christianity and Romes political influence. Luther was not the first person to have broken away from the church, not by a long stretch of the imagination.
 
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