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I thought I did. If God meticulously controls everything as claimed it's logically impossible to say his judgments of evildoers are just.So ? Why didn't you just point out / quote/ the contradictions then ? Just one, for now, unless there's more than one also to address.
?? (not sure) ...I thought I did. If God meticulously controls everything as claimed it's logically impossible to say his judgments of evildoers are just.
2 Peter 3:9 is not a salvific verse. It is a truth statement. A verse in a passage that speaks about the second coming of Christ, not justification. Remember His will is done on earth as it has already been done in heaven. In the greek, the verse actually says that God's will has already been done in heaven. SO if he's already chosen us in Christ, in heaven, before the foundation of the world began, then his will being done one earth must coincide with the will that is already done in heaven. So if he chose us before the foundation of the world began he must also cause us to be saved. Our will is not free. As a lost one that will is in bondage to the old nature. Once regenerated our will is in bondage to the new nature. We cannot even see the kingdom of God unless we've been born again.???
... God's Will is that none would perish - He even has sorrow at the death of the wicked , as well as the Righteous - but on earth WE PRAY for His Will to be Done on earth as it is in heaven, but people still perish.
right and determinism debunks free willI think you may be confusing Reformed Theology with Determinism, which is a common confusion. They are not the same.
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read the passage in context. Its is not a free will unto salvation verse. Its in a passage talking about the 2nd coming of Jesus not justification.???
... God's Will is that none would perish - He even has sorrow at the death of the wicked , as well as the Righteous - but on earth WE PRAY for His Will to be Done on earth as it is in heaven, but people still perish.
There is no law or principle that demands God love everyone equally. In the scripture it says that God loves some and hates others. It behooves us to "make our calling and election sure" as the apostle Peter exhorts us to do.1. That means God doesn't love everyone equally.
God is not obligated to be interested in saving everyone. In fact, He is not obligated to save anyone at all. Neither is God unjust if He doesn't save anyone. Since the wages of sin is death, it actually is not exactly just that God saves anyone at all. This is why it is called mercy and grace. If God has to save everyone equally, then mercy is not mercy at all, because mercy is exceptional and extraordinary to justice. And if God wants to display His justice to some of the wicked, He is not going to be interested in saving them, even though He says that He doesn't delight in the death of the wicked.2. It means God isn't interested in saving every person.
In Rev. it says that Jesus' blood purchased "men from every tribe, tongue, and nation." It means that His blood did not purchase everyone.3. It means God didn't send Jesus for everyone.
Will you hate God on a list of "maybes"? Obviously, we don't know who God has chosen for salvation, that's why our love for people has to be unconditional, like God's love: "He causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good..." We assume that God loves them and intends to save them; this is the reason why we love people regardless of what they do or say. Jesus loved Judas the same as the other disciples, in the natural sense, even though He knew Judas was his betrayer.In conclusion: Maybe God didn't send Jesus for my mom, my father, my children, my family. Maybe He never intended to save them. Maybe He doesn't even love them, well not enough to choosing them for heaven. How can I then love God?
Wow... So we are to be more loving than God? And as far as for the common Grace argument.. gee willikers Batman, I don't care if my loved ones go to hell as long as they got to experience fresh cucumbers!Will you hate God on a list of "maybes"? Obviously, we don't know who God has chosen for salvation, that's why our love for people has to be unconditional, like God's love: "He causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good..." We assume that God loves them and intends to save them; this is the reason why we love people regardless of what they do or say. J
Free will is a lie. A pagan doctrine that crept into the RCC long agoDeterminism is bunk according to scripture.
Read the greek, friend, and educate yourself. We pray that his will is done on earth as it has already been done in heaven. God saves according to the whole counsel of His will not the will of man.Uh...not. why would we be told to pray for his will to be done on earth if it was already being done all the time?
I know 'that' from having read it here many times; and this is, I think, an audience that is broadly representative of the various branches of Christianity. Also, it accords with what I have been told by various people of my personal acquaintance offline and read in articles and other written material. It is one area of Christian theology about which there is a great amount of misunderstanding.Don't know how you would know that. If you judge by actions, maybe, but you could then say that about many doctrines we all affirm.
Consequently then, it'a an ARBITRARY decision on God's part to Save this one, and Condemn that one. You can't have it both ways.
So which is it??
However "Reformed Theology" essentially ELIMINATES any human responsibility whatsoever.
So long, in your saying that Reformed theology teaches that God "controls everything", you are not saying that God authors or approves of evil actions according to Reformed theology - that is correct.All Christiandom believe God is in charge. Reformed claim God meticulously controls everything in creation, down to the most base evil actions.
See the difference?
That simply is not true."Reformed Theology" essentially ELIMINATES any human responsibility whatsoever.
It's unconditional election and not "arbitrary election". The two are not the same.it'a an ARBITRARY decision on God's part to Save this one, and Condemn that one.
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