Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

[MoreCoffee]

I would totally join the Jesuits for their time-travelling prowess

Yeah!!! Those Jesuits rock!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by progmonk

I would totally join the Jesuits for their time-travelling prowess
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Yeah!!! Those Jesuits rock!

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[GladiatorforGod]

I have noticed that some SDA really do not understand Catholic religious orders in particularly the Jesuits. For example I told one gentlemen that I went to school to study theology and he said something like "So you have been schooled by Jesuits". LOL. No I was not. I am curious why the SDA is so paranoid of these Jesuits and not the Dominicans or Franciscans or Carmelites or even diocesan priest etc?

I will quote the words of Martin Luther, as my reply to your question:

Luther's warning

The next day, as he was lecturing on the Psalms, Luther reverted to the episode of the bull. The burning of the Papal statutes, said he, addressing the crowd of students that thronged the lecture-room, is but the sign , the thing signified was what they were to aim at, even the conflagration of the Papacy.

"Unless with all your hearts you abandon the Papacy, you cannot save your souls. The reign of the Pope is so opposed to the law of Christ and the life of the Christian, that it will be safer to roam the desert and never see the face of man, than abide under the rule of Antichrist. I warn every man to look to his soul's welfare, lest by submitting to the Pope he deny Christ. The time is come when Christians must choose between death here and death hereafter. For my own part, I choose death here. I cannot lay such a burden upon my soul as to hold my peace in this matter: I must look to the great reckoning. I abominate the Babylonian pest. As long as I live I will proclaim the truth. If the wholesale destruction of souls throughout Christendom cannot be prevented, at least I shall labour to the utmost of my power to rescue my own countrymen from the bottomless pit of perdition."

Rome would make Wittenberg and its movement a reproach, a desolation. She did speak, she did stretch out her arm, she did launch her bolt. And what was the result? To Rome a terrible and appalling one. The monk, rising up in his strength, grasped the bolt hurled against him from the Seven Hills, and flung it back at her from whom it came.

Taken from Wylie's History of Protestantism, and edited by Dr Clive Gillis

 

[George95]

I don't think they're really paranoid, but rather possibly they disagree with their beliefs.

 

[Watchman4hm]

Why cant people just keep their eyes on Jesus, let Him teach them and tell them what needs fixing in their own hearts, and then respond to others with LOVE instead of judgement? As far as Catholic, I was raised Catholic...One simple verse negates the teachings they have for me..

1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

NO man is my go between/vicar on earth period..

 

[Habakk]

SDA's have a lot of non biblical doctrines based on Ellen White's writings, that they deem to be authoritive.

However SDA's are tending to split into two factions these days.

 

[VictorC]

I will quote the words of Martin Luther

I'm curious as to why you would bother to quote Martin Luther, after having rejected what Martin Luther wrote in his commentary on Galatians, quoted to you on another thread. If you're going to appeal to Luther here, such an appeal demands that you accept his rejection of the sabbath.

The Apostle Paul knew what the false apostles were teaching the Galatians: The observance of days, and months, and times, and years. The Jews had been obliged to keep holy the Sabbath Day, the new moons, the feast of the passover, the feast of tabernacles, and other feasts. The false apostles constrained the Galatians to observe these Jewish feasts under threat of damnation. Paul hastens to tell the Galatians that they were exchanging their Christian liberty for the weak and beggarly elements of the world.

 

[Stryder06]

Why cant people just keep their eyes on Jesus, let Him teach them and tell them what needs fixing in their own hearts, and then respond to others with LOVE instead of judgement? As far as Catholic, I was raised Catholic...One simple verse negates the teachings they have for me..

1 Timothy 2:5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

NO man is my go between/vicar on earth period..

It's funny how love is often assumed to not invole judgment.

 

[GladiatorforGod]

I don't think they're really paranoid, but rather possibly they disagree with their beliefs.

Thank you!!! The voice of reason has spoken.

 

[Watchman4hm]

It's funny how love is often assumed to not invole judgment.

Its also even more funny how "righteous judgment" which is commanded of our Lord is never ever filled with innuendo aimed at others in hurtful fashion..Certainly we must "judge" things people say, but to judge people themselves and throw them under the bus is NOT OF GOD PERIOD!

 

[Stryder06]

Its also even more funny how "righteous judgment" which is commanded of our Lord is never ever filled with innuendo aimed at others in hurtful fashion..Certainly we must "judge" things people say, but to judge people themselves and throw them under the bus is NOT OF GOD PERIOD!

What person has been judged or thrown under the bus?

 

[GladiatorforGod]

I'm curious as to why you would bother to quote Martin Luther, after having rejected what Martin Luther wrote in his commentary on Galatians, quoted to you on another thread. If you're going to appeal to Luther here, such an appeal demands that you accept his rejection of the sabbath.

Your selective thinking is puzzling. Have you not the knowledge that SDAs have pointed out that Luther's error regarding the 7th day Sabbath? He didn't have perfect knowledge of the Scriptures, and was still in the process of discarding Rome's influence. However, we praise Luther for recognizing that the Pope fit the bill, as the Antichrist that Paul described in:

2 Thess. 2:

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Its also even more funny how "righteous judgment" which is commanded of our Lord is never ever filled with innuendo aimed at others in hurtful fashion..Certainly we must "judge" things people say, but to judge people themselves and throw them under the bus is NOT OF GOD PERIOD!

That brings to mind this thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7407073-10/
Interview of SDA Pastor Septic Tank Ministry

I conducted this interview myself after seeing this bus parked close to where I work in Seattle. He seemed like a nice man who is very serious about the Pope stealing the Sabbath, etc. My next interview with him will be on the 1844 subject.

Enjoy.

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[GladiatorforGod]

That brings to mind this thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7407073-10/
Interview of SDA Pastor Septic Tank Ministry

Why don't you add your own words regarding the topic in discussion, instead of re-posting old stuff?

 

[VictorC]

Your selective thinking is puzzling. Have you not the knowledge that SDAs have pointed out that Luther's error regarding the 7th day Sabbath? He didn't have perfect knowledge of the Scriptures, and was still in the process of discarding Rome's influence. However, we praise Luther for recognizing that the Pope fit the bill, as the Antichrist that Paul described in:

If you were using Martin Luther as an authority to appeal to a Lutheran, I would have seen a reason to do so, as a Lutheran would accept Luther as an authority. However, you didn't.

Your use of Luther as an authority in an instance where neither party accepts such an authority begs the question 'why?'. You haven't answered this, except attribute your own selective reasoning to someone else who isn't using it. And, your comments clearly show your own disdain for Luther.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Watchman4hm

Its also even more funny how "righteous judgment" which is commanded of our Lord is never ever filled with innuendo aimed at others in hurtful fashion..Certainly we must "judge" things people say, but to judge people themselves and throw them under the bus is NOT OF GOD PERIOD!
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Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

That brings to mind this thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7407073-10/
Interview of SDA Pastor Septic Tank Ministry
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Why don't you add your own words regarding the topic in discussion, instead of re-posting old stuff?

Ok.
I will just bump that thread up

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[ChristOurCaptain]

What I don't get is why SDA's haven't yet launched World War III against the Messianic Jews. Here they are, pounding, "If you break just one commandment, you break them all. You MUST observe Sabbath, and it MUST be on Saturday only! If you do not, you are deliberately breaking God's commandments and are in danger or excommunication or worse, the fires of hell!"

Meanwhile on these same forums you've got people saying we should throw out the entire preachings of Paul. If SDA's are that up in arms over people observing Sabbath--but on a Sunday--you'd think they would be crucifying the Messianic Jews as they throw out practically half the New Testament. Where's the bloodbath? Where's the all-out war between SDA's and Messianic Jews?

Or is it that Messianic Jews just happen to observe Sabbath on the day they approve of?

Daf... did I just read?
Even Messianic Jews are demonized, it seems. And people say that there isn't a problem with anti-semitism.....

 

[GladiatorforGod]

If you were using Martin Luther as an authority to appeal to a Lutheran, I would have seen a reason to do so, as a Lutheran would accept Luther as an authority. However, you didn't.

Your use of Luther as an authority in an instance where neither party accepts such an authority begs the question 'why?'. You haven't answered this, except attribute your own selective reasoning to someone else who isn't using it. And, your comments clearly show your own disdain for Luther.

Dead wrong. SDAs simply look at our sacred Protestant heritage realizing that they were in the process of shaking off the traditions of Rome, of what you still bow the knee to when you worship on the day the Pope blessed with his man made blessing which is blasphemous in the sight of God, on top that, you ignore the day that God himself made holy, the 7th day.

 

[motherprayer]

Daf... did I just read?
Even Messianic Jews are demonized, it seems. And people say that there isn't a problem with anti-semitism.....

All who will live Godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution...

 

[Going Merry]

I am not that paranoid.... *checks over shoulder*