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Why are SDA so paraoid of Jesuits?

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In one of the Jack Chick comics I read some time ago, it showed a drawing of a Catholic convincing Muhammed to start Islam (or something), the drawing was clearly a Jesuit in traditional Jesuit garb.

In other words, time-traveling Jesuits.

I mean if you believe Jesuits can travel through time to mold history to their own liking, then is it any wonder why so many are paranoid?

-CryptoLutheran


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In one of the Jack Chick comics I read some time ago, it showed a drawing of a Catholic convincing Muhammed to start Islam (or something), the drawing was clearly a Jesuit in traditional Jesuit garb.

In other words, time-traveling Jesuits.

I mean if you believe Jesuits can travel through time to mold history to their own liking, then is it any wonder why so many are paranoid?

-CryptoLutheran
J Chick is colorful character :D

http://www.christianforums.com/t7437277-14/
Christians views on Jack Chick

Actually, when I first heard of Chick Tracts a few minutes ago, I thought they must be something to do with women! :( lol
 
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Isn't everyone? I went to a Franciscan run High School and I can tell you all those Franciscans were deathly afraid of them. Then I attended a Jesuit college and found out why.
How did they frighten you?


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That it?!
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A Jesuit and a Franciscan sat down to dinner, after which pie was served. There were two pieces of pie, one small and the other large. The Jesuit reached over and took the larger piece for himself. The Franciscan remonstrated, “St. Francis always taught us to take the meaner piece.” The Jesuit replied, “And so you have it.”
 
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A Jesuit and a Franciscan sat down to dinner, after which pie was served. There were two pieces of pie, one small and the other large. The Jesuit reached over and took the larger piece for himself. The Franciscan remonstrated, “St. Francis always taught us to take the meaner piece.” The Jesuit replied, “And so you have it.”
And your point?



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A Jesuit and a Franciscan sat down to dinner, after which pie was served. There were two pieces of pie, one small and the other large. The Jesuit reached over and took the larger piece for himself. The Franciscan remonstrated, “St. Francis always taught us to take the meaner piece.” The Jesuit replied, “And so you have it.”

That's typical of the jokes Jesuits tell about themselves.
 
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I have noticed that some SDA really do not understand Catholic religious orders in particularly the Jesuits. For example I told one gentlemen that I went to school to study theology and he said something like "So you have been schooled by Jesuits". LOL. No I was not. I am curious why the SDA is so paranoid of these Jesuits and not the Dominicans or Franciscans or Carmelites or even diocesan priest etc?

That's easy! Ellen White told them so :p:p:p
 
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What I don't get is why SDA's haven't yet launched World War III against the Messianic Jews. Here they are, pounding, "If you break just one commandment, you break them all. You MUST observe Sabbath, and it MUST be on Saturday only! If you do not, you are deliberately breaking God's commandments and are in danger or excommunication or worse, the fires of hell!"

Meanwhile on these same forums you've got people saying we should throw out the entire preachings of Paul. If SDA's are that up in arms over people observing Sabbath--but on a Sunday--you'd think they would be crucifying the Messianic Jews as they throw out practically half the New Testament. Where's the bloodbath? Where's the all-out war between SDA's and Messianic Jews?

Or is it that Messianic Jews just happen to observe Sabbath on the day they approve of?

But Ellen White didn't tell them to chuck a fit when some of the Messianic Jewish folk toss out saint Paul! Surely you know that it all hinges on what the prophet says :p
 
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I wish I knew more about SDA. I have never had the opportunity to look into that denomination. However, I feel I need to point out just as there are many Catholic beliefs that people misconstrue, I am slightly disapointed to see Catholics having a big part in a thread telling what someone else believes.
 
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A Jesuit and a Franciscan sat down to dinner, after which pie was served. There were two pieces of pie, one small and the other large. The Jesuit reached over and took the larger piece for himself. The Franciscan remonstrated, “St. Francis always taught us to take the meaner piece.” The Jesuit replied, “And so you have it.”

I love the Jesuits and would join their order if I were able...

I have one:

A Francisan and a Dominican were arguing about which order was most beloved of God...it became quite heated. Suddenly, there was a burst of light and a simple note fell down from the heavens. The Francisan picked it up and read it...a little disheartened he handed it to his Domincian brother. The note read:

My Children,

I love you both equally, please dont bicker...


Love,

GOD, S.J
 
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In one of the Jack Chick comics I read some time ago, it showed a drawing of a Catholic convincing Muhammed to start Islam (or something), the drawing was clearly a Jesuit in traditional Jesuit garb.

In other words, time-traveling Jesuits.

I mean if you believe Jesuits can travel through time to mold history to their own liking, then is it any wonder why so many are paranoid?

-CryptoLutheran

Oh Dear...are you serious about Jack Chick? ^_^ Gonna try to find a link on that one!
The Jesuits were instrumental in the Counter Reformation, if I am correct off the top of my head. What would you expect them to do - sit quietly and let Luther and the boys do their thing? They held to a firm belief in their Church and wanted to instill a strong faith in others.

Heck, I put myself in their shoes - I want the same thing for MY church! So come on over to the Cross and Flame, everybody!! :thumbsup:
 
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The SDA's view Ellen White as God's sock puppet which spoke the actual words God gave her...
...This is contrasted with the muddy work of the people like St. John, St. Paul, ect.
...They were God's penmen NOT God's pen.

Ellen White within SDAism is actually called ( among other things ) "The Pen of Inspiration".

What Ellen White said about the Bible:

"The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is NOT God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is NOT represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, not His pen." (Selected Messages, Vol. 1, Chapter One "The Inspiration of the Prophetic Writers")

Notice what she says of what she ( Ellen ) wrote in her books.

Before I stand on my feet, I have no thought of speaking as plainly as I do. But the Spirit of God rests upon me with power, and I CANNOT but speak the words GIVEN me. I dare not withhold one word of the testimony.... I speak the words GIVEN ME by a higher power than human power, and I CANNOT, if I would, recall [retract] one sentence" (1MR 28).

As soon as I take my pen in hand, I am not in darkness as to what to write. It is as plain and clear as a voice speaking to me, 'I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go'" (2MR 319).


The testimonies are unread and unappreciated. God has spoken to you. Light has been shining from His word and from the testimonies, and both have been slighted and disregarded. (Testimonies, Vol. 5, p. 217)

There is a ton more where those came from and after know that you can imagine what the average SDA thinks of the Jesuits when they read Ellen White when she ( God ) says:


By this code, lying, theft, perjury, assassination, were not only pardonable but commendable, when they served the interests of the church. Under various disguises the Jesuits worked their way into offices of state, climbing up to be the counselors of kings, and shaping the policy of nations. They became servants to act as spies upon their masters. They established colleges for the sons of princes and nobles, and schools for the common people; and the children of Protestant parents were drawn into an observance of popish rites. All the outward pomp and display of the Romish worship was brought to bear to confuse the mind and dazzle and captivate the imagination, and thus the liberty for which the fathers had toiled and bled was betrayed by the sons. The Jesuits rapidly spread themselves over Europe, and wherever they went, there followed a revival of popery

And,

That's why SDA's are obsessed with Jesuits.[/QUOTE]

Hmmm, I guess I didn't appreciate just how deranged Ellen White was. I knew she was a false prophet but I didn't know she had this wild, irrational, pseudo history paranoia thrown in.
 
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Nice! I found a big classic right here:

The Prophet - Comic

Notice how Dr. Rivera looks like Orville Redenbacher!!^_^ I knew there was a reason I liked Pop Secret and Act II better!!

Hehee, that one is better than the one I found. :thumbsup:

I was trying to keep track of my favorite ridiculous things, but I quickly lost count.

You know, say what you like about Jack Chick's historicity, but that wouldn't make for a half-bad movie.
 
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