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Dead wrong. <obvious diversion snipped>
The RCC appears to have had a slight change of heart concerning M. LutherCompletely right.
You disdain Luther by rejecting his writings shown to you on two threads now.
Catholics also share this disdain, for reasons unrelated to your rejection of Luther.
You have not explained why you would appeal to Martin Luther when you have no intent to accept his writings as an authority.
Story from the TIMESONLINE
From The Times
Pope Benedict XVI is to rehabilitate Martin Luther, arguing that he did not intend to split Christianity but only to purge the Church of corrupt practices.
Pope Benedict will issue his findings on Luther (1483-1546) in September after discussing him at his annual seminar of 40 fellow theologians — known as the Ratzinger Schülerkreis — at Castelgandolfo, the papal summer residence. According to Vatican insiders the Pope will argue that Luther, who was excommunicated and condemned for heresy, was not a heretic.
Cardinal Walter Kasper, the head of the pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, said the move would help to promote ecumenical dialogue between Catholics and Protestants. It is also designed to counteract the impact of July's papal statement describing the Protestant and Orthodox faiths as defective and “not proper Churches”.
The move to re-evaluate Luther is part of a drive to soften Pope Benedict's image as an arch conservative hardliner as he approaches the third anniversary of his election next month. This week it emerged that the Vatican is planning to erect a statue of Galileo, who also faced a heresy trial, to mark the 400th anniversary next year of his discovery of the telescope.
The Pope has also reached out to the Muslim world to mend fences after his 2006 speech at Regensburg University in which he appeared to describe Islam as inherently violent and irrational. This week Muslim scholars and Vatican officials met at the pontifical Council for Inter-Religious Dialogue in Rome to begin laying the groundwork for a meeting between the Pope and leading Muslims, also expected to be held at Castelgandolfo.
Cardinal Kasper said: “We have much to learn from Luther, beginning with the importance he attached to the word of God.” It was time for a “more positive” view of Luther, whose reforms had aroused papal ire at the time but could now be seen as having “anticipated aspects of reform which the Church has adopted over time”.
The Castelgandolfo seminar will in part focus on the question of apostolic succession, through which the apostles passed on the authority they received from Jesus to the first bishops. After the Reformation Protestants took the view that “succession” referred only to God's Word and not to church hierarchies but some German scholars have suggested Luther himself did not intend this.
Luther challenged the authority of the papacy by holding that the Bible is the sole source of religious authority and made it accessible to ordinary people by translating it into the vernacular. He became convinced that the Church had lost sight of the “central truths of Christianity”, and was appalled on a visit to Rome in 1510 by the power, wealth and corruption of the papacy.
In 1517 he protested publicly against the sale of papal indulgences for the remission of sins in his “95 Theses”, nailing a copy to the door of a Wittenberg church. Some theologians argue that Luther did not intend to confront the papacy “in a doctrinaire way” but only to raise legitimate questions - a view Pope Benedict apparently shares.
Luther was excommunicated by Pope Leo X, who dismissed him initially as “a drunken German who will change his mind when sober”.
Completely right.
You disdain Luther by rejecting his writings shown to you on two threads now.
Catholics also share this disdain, for reasons unrelated to your rejection of Luther.
You have not explained why you would appeal to Martin Luther when you have no intent to accept his writings as an authority.
Do you believe that the Papacy is the Antichrist that Paul described?
- Do you believe that the Papacy is the Antichrist that Paul described?
- Do you believed that Luther labeled the Papacy as the Antichrist?
- Do you believe in the heritage of the Protestant Reformers, who believed the Pope to be the Antichrist?
- Do you believe that men and women can have truth that [is] true, but not all truth all the time?
Completely right.
You disdain Luther by rejecting his writings shown to you on two threads now.
Catholics also share this disdain, for reasons unrelated to your rejection of Luther.
You have not explained why you would appeal to Martin Luther when you have no intent to accept his writings as an authority.
Just for the record: Luther's writings are NOT authorities in and of themselves. They are authorities ONLY so far as they are in accordance with Scripture. Luther himself would be the first to point this out.
Oh, this is rich! Now Paul is said to describe the papacy in the past-tense.
Words just do not ... oh, never mind. You still haven't addressed my question.
You disdain Luther by rejecting his writings shown to you on two threads now.
Catholics also share this disdain, for reasons unrelated to your rejection of Luther.
You have not explained why you would appeal to Martin Luther when you have no intent to accept his writings as an authority.
Oh, and before I forget. I WANT ALL CF MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT I HAVE CALLED OUT "VICTORC" TO POST HIS CHURCHE'S NAME, AND ITS DOCTRINES AND BELIEFS. HE HAS FULL ACCESS TO THE SDA DOCTRINES ON OUR WEBSITE. BUT, HE HIDES IN A CLOAK OF SECRECY WHAT HIS CHURCH BELIEVES.
Your spin goes against the majority of the Reformers of the 16th century. They viewed the Papacy as the Antichrist, including Martin Luther! Regarding Luther, no one is perfect. Luther was wrong regarding the Sabbath, but he was right regarding who was the Antichrist. Commonsense.
Oh, and before I forget. I WANT ALL CF MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT I HAVE CALLED OUT "VICTORC" TO POST HIS CHURCHE'S NAME, AND ITS DOCTRINES AND BELIEFS. HE HAS FULL ACCESS TO THE SDA DOCTRINES ON OUR WEBSITE. BUT, HE HIDES IN A CLOAK OF SECRECY WHAT HIS CHURCH BELIEVES.
Weren't the Jesuits behind Liberation Theology? Are they like a splinter cell now in the RCC?
This is the fifth instance of this logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem that was addressed long ago on another thread. Appealing to a logical fallacy demonstrates an abject inability to address the subject matter placed before this member. This includes a recent post filled with material from the White Estate he has repeatedly run away from. Yet my post clearly shows that the material he writes is inspired by Ellen White, and not the Bible.
Logical fallacies are all GfG has to offer. I'm certain I'm not the only one who has noticed this.
Most people who have conversed with me know that I prefer the structure of the local assembly over formal denominations, which is the reality in the rural location I live in. We have three church assemblies near us to choose from, and all of them are non-denominational. This is consistent with my personal ambition to appeal to the unity of the faith, and not divisions that I consider harmful.
Weren't the Jesuits behind Liberation Theology? Are they like a splinter cell now in the RCC?
Um, most definitely not.
I find the seven churches as seven movements that would arise in time
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I was born, strangely enough, into this word via a Pentecostal mother and a Catholic dad at the Marine Corp base in Camp Lejeune, NC. And then, strangely enough, they brought me up in a sardisean Baptist church. By the time I was a teenager I was convinced...
1. That speaking of tongues was of the devil
2. That all Catholics are going to hell
The sardisean church is bad about this. They develop mental doctrine that makes them superior to all others. It is too bad that they don't realize, that on a spiritual level, that they are as bad as everyone else.
When the Spirit of God came into my heart in my mothers country I began to attend Pentecostal Holiness church, which taught sanctification the Methodist way, with a sweet spirit. The first thing I noticed was that none of the preaching put down other denominations or Christian faiths.
My dad dates a Lutheran gal who swares up and down that only Lutherans will enter heaven... Which is typical of the sardisean mindset.
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